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I agree that the Falcons should be in prison, but there is a difference between putting a few hundred political extremists in jail, compared to a few million no

I agree that the Falcons should be in prison, but there is a difference between putting a few hundred political extremists in jail, compared to a few million normal people based on their race. So, no, not "hypocrites".

jlokier 6y ago
Well, some of those in Guantanamo are political extremists. And some of them are probably normal people. https://www.dawn.com/news/1539457/still-at-guantanamo https://www.dawn.com/news/1539457/still-at-guantanamo
- peroporque 6y ago
  True, that's why I say the Falcons should be in jail. But the intention is to catch extremists, the flaw is to not follow due process. Whereas in China, the intention is to commit cultural genocide.
luckylion 6y ago
> few hundred political extremists Like in Abu Ghraib, where they created a torture dungeon for thousands of Iraqis, from common criminals to suspect rebels, generally without trial? This whole "no, it's just some really evil individuals that we tortured, we are the good guys here" narrative is disgusting.
- cies 6y ago
  > without trial this is the main point. both states like to do it without trial.
  - thoughtstheseus 6y ago
    That’s why state interests should be below individual interests. Otherwise what’s the point of a state?
  - jacquesm 6y ago
    Torture is illegal, with or without a trial. It is a war crime and/or a crime against humanity and should be prosecuted as such.
  - peroporque 6y ago
    In China, trials are irrelevant, because there is no independent judicial system. What's more important is intention. One side tries to catch murderers and sometimes does not follow due process. The other side tries to kill off the culture of an entire people by violently "reeducation" millions of human beings. Honestly, I find it disgusting that people here seem to be mostly fine with those crimes, and even try to defend them.
cies 6y ago
> based on their race It's simply without a trial. All states have nice words for why they have to target whom they target. Let's not fall for propaganda. The scale is different: true. But same-scale is not a prerequisite for hypocrisy.
- peroporque 6y ago
  Trials are irrelevant in China, because judges are part of the CCP. the Uygurs are imprisoned based on their race. With or without trial makes no difference.

jlokier 6y ago

Well, some of those in Guantanamo are political extremists. And some of them are probably normal people. https://www.dawn.com/news/1539457/still-at-guantanamo https://www.dawn.com/news/1539457/still-at-guantanamo

peroporque 6y ago
True, that's why I say the Falcons should be in jail. But the intention is to catch extremists, the flaw is to not follow due process. Whereas in China, the intention is to commit cultural genocide.

luckylion 6y ago

> few hundred political extremists Like in Abu Ghraib, where they created a torture dungeon for thousands of Iraqis, from common criminals to suspect rebels, generally without trial? This whole "no, it's just some really evil individuals that we tortured, we are the good guys here" narrative is disgusting.

cies 6y ago
> without trial this is the main point. both states like to do it without trial.
- thoughtstheseus 6y ago
  That’s why state interests should be below individual interests. Otherwise what’s the point of a state?
- jacquesm 6y ago
  Torture is illegal, with or without a trial. It is a war crime and/or a crime against humanity and should be prosecuted as such.
- peroporque 6y ago
  In China, trials are irrelevant, because there is no independent judicial system. What's more important is intention. One side tries to catch murderers and sometimes does not follow due process. The other side tries to kill off the culture of an entire people by violently "reeducation" millions of human beings. Honestly, I find it disgusting that people here seem to be mostly fine with those crimes, and even try to defend them.

cies 6y ago

> based on their race It's simply without a trial. All states have nice words for why they have to target whom they target. Let's not fall for propaganda. The scale is different: true. But same-scale is not a prerequisite for hypocrisy.

peroporque 6y ago
Trials are irrelevant in China, because judges are part of the CCP. the Uygurs are imprisoned based on their race. With or without trial makes no difference.