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Huh. I just tried Calc (6.0.7.3, Ubuntu 18.04) again this morning for the first time in a while and it crashed in seconds after right-clicking a few column head

Huh. I just tried Calc (6.0.7.3, Ubuntu 18.04) again this morning for the first time in a while and it crashed in seconds after right-clicking a few column headers. It's repeatable. When trying to navigate the very confusing document recovery dialogs to restart it, it then launched as Writer not Calc. I really wish it was an option but JFC. My experience with has always been so bad it doesn't even feel worth raising a bug report.

stormdennis 6y ago
I find that calc is very good for migrating data from files that other programs, cannnot open. Import from some random file type, export as csv for example.
- sammorrowdrums 6y ago
  I've found that Calc is better for importing things like custom format CSV files etc. But has problems opening very large files, where Excel is better able to handle working with them. Overall that makes Calc more useful to me, but then again, I mostly write scripts when dealing with data files if I can.
tluyben2 6y ago
Could you make a video of that? I am clicking myself silly (ubuntu 18.04 / 6.0.7.3) and cannot repeat that behavior. I use calc a lot and it rarely crashes (less than excel/windows which, on my ms surface tablet, actually quite regularly crashes or hangs).
- duncanawoods 6y ago
  Sure, here you go: https://imgur.com/a/PZMaqff https://imgur.com/a/PZMaqff org.gnome.Shell.desktop[4355]: Window manager warning: Invalid WM_TRANSIENT_FOR window 0x9000024 specified for 0x9000965 (LibreOffic). You have shamed me into raising a bug ;) edit: raised, the 6.0 branch is EOL, doesn't happen in 6.4.5.2
  - tluyben2 6y ago
    Ah, I am using i3wm as wm; that might be the difference...
    - duncanawoods 6y ago
      I am happy to report it doesn't happen with 6.4.5.2. It's a shame that the snaps installed by default in Ubuntu haven't been updated.
  - asddubs 6y ago
    yup, that's the thing, people love to complain on random social media platforms, but most people can't be bothered to report bugs. been guilty of it myself as well of course
    - duncanawoods 6y ago
      The sad thing is that it's almost futile raising a bug against complex software like this or IDEs. It doesn't matter if it's FOSS or commercial, they already have backlogs of 10000s of bugs so unless loads of other people are reporting the same bug, it almost certainly won't be fixed. I have never had a Visual Studio or Windows bug report fixed and only a few JetBrains ones fixed. However, if it's a small tool or library then it's a different story, much higher response rate.
      - gitgud 6y ago
        > It doesn't matter if it's FOSS or commercial It does matter, you can't fix a problem with IntelliJ, you need to wait until the company considers it economically viable to fix, ie enough people report it or its critical. But if something in an Open-source system pisses you off, you can fix it yourself. It not for everyone, but at least it's possible to fix FOSS systems yourself...
        duncanawoods 6y ago
        Oh sure, I was just meaning in terms of bug reports actually precipitating action. For this type of software it's more like software a complexity issue than an economic one. > But if something in an Open-source system pisses you off, you can fix it yourself. I'm literally doing that right now :)
tbran 6y ago
So, I'm on the same version of Ubuntu and LibreOffice and I use Calc almost every day without problems. Also, on the infrequent occasions that I need to do document recovery (usually from my unplugged laptop running out of battery), it works flawlessly. Not to pick on you, but I feel like comments like yours are, I don't know, unnecessarily negative or nitpicky? Like, people will read your comment and think, "Oh geez, LibreOffice is crap." But it's used by portions of government on at least 754,000 machines [0] and my mom. Being used by many doesn't mean it's amazing, I suppose, but it at least means it generally works and probably isn't complete crap. [0] https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/who-uses-libreoffice/ https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/who-uses-libreoffice/

stormdennis 6y ago

I find that calc is very good for migrating data from files that other programs, cannnot open. Import from some random file type, export as csv for example.

sammorrowdrums 6y ago
I've found that Calc is better for importing things like custom format CSV files etc. But has problems opening very large files, where Excel is better able to handle working with them. Overall that makes Calc more useful to me, but then again, I mostly write scripts when dealing with data files if I can.

tluyben2 6y ago

Could you make a video of that? I am clicking myself silly (ubuntu 18.04 / 6.0.7.3) and cannot repeat that behavior. I use calc a lot and it rarely crashes (less than excel/windows which, on my ms surface tablet, actually quite regularly crashes or hangs).

duncanawoods 6y ago
Sure, here you go: https://imgur.com/a/PZMaqff https://imgur.com/a/PZMaqff org.gnome.Shell.desktop[4355]: Window manager warning: Invalid WM_TRANSIENT_FOR window 0x9000024 specified for 0x9000965 (LibreOffic). You have shamed me into raising a bug ;) edit: raised, the 6.0 branch is EOL, doesn't happen in 6.4.5.2
- tluyben2 6y ago
  Ah, I am using i3wm as wm; that might be the difference...
  - duncanawoods 6y ago
    I am happy to report it doesn't happen with 6.4.5.2. It's a shame that the snaps installed by default in Ubuntu haven't been updated.
- asddubs 6y ago
  yup, that's the thing, people love to complain on random social media platforms, but most people can't be bothered to report bugs. been guilty of it myself as well of course
  - duncanawoods 6y ago
    The sad thing is that it's almost futile raising a bug against complex software like this or IDEs. It doesn't matter if it's FOSS or commercial, they already have backlogs of 10000s of bugs so unless loads of other people are reporting the same bug, it almost certainly won't be fixed. I have never had a Visual Studio or Windows bug report fixed and only a few JetBrains ones fixed. However, if it's a small tool or library then it's a different story, much higher response rate.
    - gitgud 6y ago
      > It doesn't matter if it's FOSS or commercial It does matter, you can't fix a problem with IntelliJ, you need to wait until the company considers it economically viable to fix, ie enough people report it or its critical. But if something in an Open-source system pisses you off, you can fix it yourself. It not for everyone, but at least it's possible to fix FOSS systems yourself...
      - duncanawoods 6y ago
        Oh sure, I was just meaning in terms of bug reports actually precipitating action. For this type of software it's more like software a complexity issue than an economic one. > But if something in an Open-source system pisses you off, you can fix it yourself. I'm literally doing that right now :)

tbran 6y ago

So, I'm on the same version of Ubuntu and LibreOffice and I use Calc almost every day without problems. Also, on the infrequent occasions that I need to do document recovery (usually from my unplugged laptop running out of battery), it works flawlessly. Not to pick on you, but I feel like comments like yours are, I don't know, unnecessarily negative or nitpicky? Like, people will read your comment and think, "Oh geez, LibreOffice is crap." But it's used by portions of government on at least 754,000 machines [0] and my mom. Being used by many doesn't mean it's amazing, I suppose, but it at least means it generally works and probably isn't complete crap. [0] https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/who-uses-libreoffice/ https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/who-uses-libreoffice/