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I wonder if people will abandon France as fast as they abandoned Tumblr when they banned adult content? Or 70 million people download Tor.

tasogare 6y ago
I did it. In fact, for a lot of people who got an higher education the main question for after graduation is not what will you do but where will you go (where being implicitly abroad). This is of course not because of porn sites, but the general negative and insecure (economically, etc.) climate. The ship is sinking and people are asking for more of the things that precisely made it this way. This is painful to see.
- Tade0 6y ago
  Hailing from a former communist state from which quite a few people emigrated to France I wonder what are your options as a French person? What countries are France's France, or in other words, places where salaries are easily 2-3x as high and the general standard of living is proportionally better?
  - atxbcp 6y ago
    Canada, US, UK, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Japan, etc... Salaries don't have to be 2-3x as high (past a certain level it doesn't matter all that much), salary isn't the main reason why french people emigrate.
    - desas 6y ago
      London is the city with the sixth biggest French population. There are more French people living in London than in Bordeaux or Strasbourg for example.
      - jjgreen 6y ago
        ... and it's still hard to find a decent pain au chocolat here
        johncoltrane 6y ago
        Did you mean _chocolatine_?
        jjgreen 6y ago
        I'm not getting involved in that fight
  - Seb-C 6y ago
    I'm French and moved to Japan last year. Every time I see a news about my country, it is for bad things, and that makes me sad. But I made the right choice. There were many reasons for this. The most notable thing in my experience of moving to Japan is the shock when I actually discovered what freedom and a liberal economy means. I now seriously view my country as communist. The taxes are insane. For example, if your company pays 2000 Euros for your work, 1000 Euros goes to taxes ("charges patronales", social security, pension and dozens of useless stuff that nobody understands) Then you have city taxes are usually about half a month of salary If you are a landlord, you have to pay a second tax to the city (about half a month of salary too) Then you have the "impot sur le revenu" which is an annual tax that is roughly 1.5 month of salary for an average salary. The higher your salary is, the higher the tax percentage is (up to 75%). There is a 20% VAT on almost everything, and there are hundreds of other different taxes on anything you could imagine ( https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_imp%C3%B4ts_et_taxes_fran%C3%A7ais https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_imp%C3%B4ts_et_taxes... ). Public services are shitty. Justice and security does not exist anymore. There are so many dumb laws and regulations that is it very hard to innovate without doing something illegal. There are hundreds of useless government entities that consumes millions of euros every year, and whose only activity seems to be to harass companies, entrepreneurs and rich people. The standard of living in France is by far inferior to Japan in my experience (on almost every criteria).
    - enz 6y ago
      There are tons of ways to (legally) avoid taxes in France. However, those ways are not applicable to regular workers. And that may be unfair... You don’t want to pay the (ex-IFS) IFI tax? Doable: just make a real estate company. Want to pay even less tax when you have more than one house? Make two real estate companies and keep them under a holding company (consolidated accounting). You want to pay less real estate income tax? Do the "Loi Pinel" stuff. Too lazy to manage physical real estate? Just buy some SCPI shares (taxes are the same!) You want to make money with stocks without paying tax? Open a "PEA" brokerage account (up to 150k€, not including composed interests) or open an "Assurance Vie" and keep them at least 5/8 years. You can avoid taxes in France. Unfortunately, that’s only for a small fraction of the French people.
oijewoif32m 6y ago
France $uucкsss
lildata 6y ago
According to LinkedIn data, they are: https://www.slideshare.net/linkedin/co-migration-2014v1 https://www.slideshare.net/linkedin/co-migration-2014v1

tasogare 6y ago

I did it. In fact, for a lot of people who got an higher education the main question for after graduation is not what will you do but where will you go (where being implicitly abroad). This is of course not because of porn sites, but the general negative and insecure (economically, etc.) climate. The ship is sinking and people are asking for more of the things that precisely made it this way. This is painful to see.

Tade0 6y ago
Hailing from a former communist state from which quite a few people emigrated to France I wonder what are your options as a French person? What countries are France's France, or in other words, places where salaries are easily 2-3x as high and the general standard of living is proportionally better?
- atxbcp 6y ago
  Canada, US, UK, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Japan, etc... Salaries don't have to be 2-3x as high (past a certain level it doesn't matter all that much), salary isn't the main reason why french people emigrate.
  - desas 6y ago
    London is the city with the sixth biggest French population. There are more French people living in London than in Bordeaux or Strasbourg for example.
    - jjgreen 6y ago
      ... and it's still hard to find a decent pain au chocolat here
      - johncoltrane 6y ago
        Did you mean _chocolatine_?
        jjgreen 6y ago
        I'm not getting involved in that fight
- Seb-C 6y ago
  I'm French and moved to Japan last year. Every time I see a news about my country, it is for bad things, and that makes me sad. But I made the right choice. There were many reasons for this. The most notable thing in my experience of moving to Japan is the shock when I actually discovered what freedom and a liberal economy means. I now seriously view my country as communist. The taxes are insane. For example, if your company pays 2000 Euros for your work, 1000 Euros goes to taxes ("charges patronales", social security, pension and dozens of useless stuff that nobody understands) Then you have city taxes are usually about half a month of salary If you are a landlord, you have to pay a second tax to the city (about half a month of salary too) Then you have the "impot sur le revenu" which is an annual tax that is roughly 1.5 month of salary for an average salary. The higher your salary is, the higher the tax percentage is (up to 75%). There is a 20% VAT on almost everything, and there are hundreds of other different taxes on anything you could imagine ( https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_imp%C3%B4ts_et_taxes_fran%C3%A7ais https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_imp%C3%B4ts_et_taxes... ). Public services are shitty. Justice and security does not exist anymore. There are so many dumb laws and regulations that is it very hard to innovate without doing something illegal. There are hundreds of useless government entities that consumes millions of euros every year, and whose only activity seems to be to harass companies, entrepreneurs and rich people. The standard of living in France is by far inferior to Japan in my experience (on almost every criteria).
  - enz 6y ago
    There are tons of ways to (legally) avoid taxes in France. However, those ways are not applicable to regular workers. And that may be unfair... You don’t want to pay the (ex-IFS) IFI tax? Doable: just make a real estate company. Want to pay even less tax when you have more than one house? Make two real estate companies and keep them under a holding company (consolidated accounting). You want to pay less real estate income tax? Do the "Loi Pinel" stuff. Too lazy to manage physical real estate? Just buy some SCPI shares (taxes are the same!) You want to make money with stocks without paying tax? Open a "PEA" brokerage account (up to 150k€, not including composed interests) or open an "Assurance Vie" and keep them at least 5/8 years. You can avoid taxes in France. Unfortunately, that’s only for a small fraction of the French people.

oijewoif32m 6y ago

France $uucкsss

lildata 6y ago

According to LinkedIn data, they are: https://www.slideshare.net/linkedin/co-migration-2014v1 https://www.slideshare.net/linkedin/co-migration-2014v1