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Clarification from Sara Golemon here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PHP/comments/ho9dgq/comment/fxgk1sc https://www.reddit.com/r/PHP/comments/ho9dgq/comment/fxgk1sc

Clarification from Sara Golemon here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PHP/comments/ho9dgq/comment/fxgk1sc https://www.reddit.com/r/PHP/comments/ho9dgq/comment/fxgk1sc Key takeaway: >This message means Microsoft aren't going to produce official builds for PHP 8 onwards. >This message does NOT mean that nobody will.

ocdtrekkie 6y ago
That makes a lot more sense. And really just feels like Microsoft's current trend continuing: Dropping human-curated in-house QA and assistance in favor of automation and community contribution.
- koffiezet 6y ago
  Not only that, with wsl2 on windows being in the mainline windows, developers have a very good alternative. I don't this is a coincidence... Running actual PHP servers on windows is a rarity, and not worth it to support it officially on Windows. Azure is able to run it all, so they don't really care anymore what platform you're targeting, as long as windows is a viable development platform, and Azure a potential deploy target.
TheRealPomax 6y ago
I didn't even know that Microsoft were the ones creating the official PHP builds, and now that I do, I have no idea why they were in the first place. Especially not when PHP is software that's owned by a company that has had the resources to pay for normal CI/CD pretty much since PHP became big enough for Zend to hire staff.
- johannes1234321 6y ago
  The Microsoft guys did more than providing a CI. They cleaned up in regards to windows, whatever devs using Linux only did. Also they spent some time tuning the stack and continuous updates to the stack. Zend had nice marketing, but had been only one contributor under many. Far from owning PHP.
- sedatk 6y ago
  PHP was part of the IIS packaging and was marketed as a seamless integration option. That's probably why they worked on builds themselves.
  - wutwutwutwut 6y ago
    > seamless integration option My experience with PHP on Windows has been continously terrible. Was there some trick I missed? I have never seen any options in a vanilla IIS to enable PHP.
    - stallmanite 6y ago
      I’ve been out of the PHP game for a decade or so but Windows, Apache, and PHP always worked no problem. Maybe Windows, IIS, and PHP is a more fickle stack?
      - DoctorOW 6y ago
        I have a tough time believing Microsoft wasn't intending their special builds of Windows PHP for IIS.

ocdtrekkie 6y ago

That makes a lot more sense. And really just feels like Microsoft's current trend continuing: Dropping human-curated in-house QA and assistance in favor of automation and community contribution.

koffiezet 6y ago
Not only that, with wsl2 on windows being in the mainline windows, developers have a very good alternative. I don't this is a coincidence... Running actual PHP servers on windows is a rarity, and not worth it to support it officially on Windows. Azure is able to run it all, so they don't really care anymore what platform you're targeting, as long as windows is a viable development platform, and Azure a potential deploy target.

TheRealPomax 6y ago

I didn't even know that Microsoft were the ones creating the official PHP builds, and now that I do, I have no idea why they were in the first place. Especially not when PHP is software that's owned by a company that has had the resources to pay for normal CI/CD pretty much since PHP became big enough for Zend to hire staff.

johannes1234321 6y ago
The Microsoft guys did more than providing a CI. They cleaned up in regards to windows, whatever devs using Linux only did. Also they spent some time tuning the stack and continuous updates to the stack. Zend had nice marketing, but had been only one contributor under many. Far from owning PHP.
sedatk 6y ago
PHP was part of the IIS packaging and was marketed as a seamless integration option. That's probably why they worked on builds themselves.
- wutwutwutwut 6y ago
  > seamless integration option My experience with PHP on Windows has been continously terrible. Was there some trick I missed? I have never seen any options in a vanilla IIS to enable PHP.
  - stallmanite 6y ago
    I’ve been out of the PHP game for a decade or so but Windows, Apache, and PHP always worked no problem. Maybe Windows, IIS, and PHP is a more fickle stack?
    - DoctorOW 6y ago
      I have a tough time believing Microsoft wasn't intending their special builds of Windows PHP for IIS.