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I hope we don’t lose the blazer and sport coat, at least. They’re great. Like a purse for men, but even better than that because you wear them. Unlike winter co

I hope we don’t lose the blazer and sport coat, at least. They’re great. Like a purse for men, but even better than that because you wear them. Unlike winter coats or hoodies they’re not shlubby-looking and you can wear (appropriate cloth & weight) ones in almost any weather. I’m OK with the suit going but damn, without those there’s not much left for guys to wear that’s not athletic wear of some kind or another (and hell, sport coats kinda are anyway)

thaumasiotes 6y ago
> there’s not much left for guys to wear that’s not athletic wear of some kind or another (and hell, sport coats kinda are anyway) Sport coats are athletic wear? To me, a sport coat is the same thing as a suit jacket, with the only difference being that a sport coat isn't the same color as your pants. It will literally become a suit jacket if you put on matching pants. For example, a sport coat, very much unlike athletic wear, will prevent you from raising your arms too high with its big squared shoulders.
- jwilliamson 6y ago
  Sport coats evolved from riding and shooting jackets. I suspect some mobility has been lost over the years, but neither of those sports requiring raising your arms very high.
  - pantaloony 6y ago
    Exactly. A lot of what's available to men these days is former athletic/sporting wear turned "athleisure", then sometimes losing much of the original association: button-down collar shirts (there's a reason they're traditionally made of relatively tough Oxford cloth, and the collar's buttoned down so it stays that way during vigorous activity), polos (invented for tennis), sport coats (hunting, riding), "rugby" shirts (obviously). Then our most popular outerwear shirt, the T-shirt, used to be underwear with a strong military association, and came into common use the same way much of the rest of our modern fashion did: youth culture, which AFAIK is also how we got the blazer (dad's orphaned suit jackets) and two-button and especially two-roll-three suit jacket styles (kids wearing hand-me-down 3 and 4 button suits and orphaned jackets "casually" with fewer buttons done up).
    - DanBC 6y ago
      > and the collar's buttoned down so it stays that way during vigorous activity) Yes, but also the collar is buttoned down because those shirts don't have bones and are not starched.
  - throwaway0a5e 6y ago
    I would hate to shoulder a firearm wearing a modern sport coat. The dimensions of the parts of fabric and the orientation of the seams at the shoulder just don't permit the jacket to fit well while you to bring your hand out in front where it needs to be. I think more than a little mobility was lost (probably in the name of tighter fitment) over the years.
    - BanazirGalbasi 6y ago
      Actually, shooting jackets (for high-power shooting, at least) tend to fit pretty tight. The idea is that they help hold your body more rigid, giving you better stability when shooting at longer ranges (200, 300, and 600 yards). While I agree that sport coats aren't fit the same way, the lack of mobility is pretty common.
      - throwaway0a5e 6y ago
        Sport coats are descended from the kind of thing well to do Europeans wore wear while shooting clays, riding horses, shooting at foxes while riding on horses, saying nasty things about the slavs, or whatever else well to do Europeans a century ago did for recreation. They aren't descended from shooting specific gear.
- rags2riches 6y ago
  A well tailored jacket allows raising your arms. Straight off the rack jackets have abnormally wide arm holes to "fit" a wider range of people, which gets you the problems with raising your arms. See anything Fred Astair wore for a jacket you could move in.
neutronicus 6y ago
Shit, man, I'm just waiting for the Romper to cross over from women's fashion. Loose-fitting, linen combination shorts / tank? Yes, please! I'd even settle for denim if we must play at working on cars for women to accept it as fashionable. Maybe then I can finally have my cargo pockets back!
- spitfire 6y ago
  It already did! Sean Connery wore one in one of the bond films.

thaumasiotes 6y ago

> there’s not much left for guys to wear that’s not athletic wear of some kind or another (and hell, sport coats kinda are anyway) Sport coats are athletic wear? To me, a sport coat is the same thing as a suit jacket, with the only difference being that a sport coat isn't the same color as your pants. It will literally become a suit jacket if you put on matching pants. For example, a sport coat, very much unlike athletic wear, will prevent you from raising your arms too high with its big squared shoulders.

jwilliamson 6y ago
Sport coats evolved from riding and shooting jackets. I suspect some mobility has been lost over the years, but neither of those sports requiring raising your arms very high.
- pantaloony 6y ago
  Exactly. A lot of what's available to men these days is former athletic/sporting wear turned "athleisure", then sometimes losing much of the original association: button-down collar shirts (there's a reason they're traditionally made of relatively tough Oxford cloth, and the collar's buttoned down so it stays that way during vigorous activity), polos (invented for tennis), sport coats (hunting, riding), "rugby" shirts (obviously). Then our most popular outerwear shirt, the T-shirt, used to be underwear with a strong military association, and came into common use the same way much of the rest of our modern fashion did: youth culture, which AFAIK is also how we got the blazer (dad's orphaned suit jackets) and two-button and especially two-roll-three suit jacket styles (kids wearing hand-me-down 3 and 4 button suits and orphaned jackets "casually" with fewer buttons done up).
  - DanBC 6y ago
    > and the collar's buttoned down so it stays that way during vigorous activity) Yes, but also the collar is buttoned down because those shirts don't have bones and are not starched.
- throwaway0a5e 6y ago
  I would hate to shoulder a firearm wearing a modern sport coat. The dimensions of the parts of fabric and the orientation of the seams at the shoulder just don't permit the jacket to fit well while you to bring your hand out in front where it needs to be. I think more than a little mobility was lost (probably in the name of tighter fitment) over the years.
  - BanazirGalbasi 6y ago
    Actually, shooting jackets (for high-power shooting, at least) tend to fit pretty tight. The idea is that they help hold your body more rigid, giving you better stability when shooting at longer ranges (200, 300, and 600 yards). While I agree that sport coats aren't fit the same way, the lack of mobility is pretty common.
    - throwaway0a5e 6y ago
      Sport coats are descended from the kind of thing well to do Europeans wore wear while shooting clays, riding horses, shooting at foxes while riding on horses, saying nasty things about the slavs, or whatever else well to do Europeans a century ago did for recreation. They aren't descended from shooting specific gear.
rags2riches 6y ago
A well tailored jacket allows raising your arms. Straight off the rack jackets have abnormally wide arm holes to "fit" a wider range of people, which gets you the problems with raising your arms. See anything Fred Astair wore for a jacket you could move in.

neutronicus 6y ago

Shit, man, I'm just waiting for the Romper to cross over from women's fashion. Loose-fitting, linen combination shorts / tank? Yes, please! I'd even settle for denim if we must play at working on cars for women to accept it as fashionable. Maybe then I can finally have my cargo pockets back!

spitfire 6y ago
It already did! Sean Connery wore one in one of the bond films.