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"If Caesar has lost, the world would have looked a lot different." -- Octavian, Ceaser was already dead by this point... And, no, I don't think the world wou

"If Caesar has lost, the world would have looked a lot different." -- Octavian, Ceaser was already dead by this point... And, no, I don't think the world would have looked a lot different as the system wouldn't have changed... (Mark Antony would have replaced Ocatavian). As the saying goes, "Rome was not build in one day...." one or two particular rulers didn't have that much effect on the long term. Rome was build gradually and expanded through generations of rulers.... If Mark Antony/Cleoptra combo, was terrible, they would have been eventually been dispatched off, by the internal forces... just like Nero. By the time Rome was not facing an outside existential threat (Partha was tough, but never an existential threat to Rome).

turndown 6y ago
>Mark Antony would have replaced Ocatavian Can't emphasize enough how different Mark Antony and Octavian were; the history of the Roman Empire probably would have been significantly different as Antony had little to no political skill.
RcouF1uZ4gsC 6y ago
> Octavian, Ceaser was already dead by this point... Only his enemies referred to him as Octavian. He referred to himself as Caesar as did all his men, and later Romans. >one or two particular rulers didn't have that much effect on the long term. Augustus as he became known was probably the single most consequential ruler in Rome. He was the transition between the upheaval of the Roman Revolution at the end of the Roman Republic and the Roman Empire. Without Augustus, it is likely that Rome would have continually been racked by civil wars. The disaster of the 2nd century where Rome bled itself dry in a series of civil wars would likely have been moved up. If Antony and Cleopatra had won, I think what we saw later as the East/West split with the Eastern capital at Constantinople may have happened much earlier with the Eastern capital at Alexandria.
- thaumasiotes 6y ago
  > He referred to himself as Caesar as did all his men, and later Romans. Not just him. Every Roman emperor was called Caesar, which is why Caesar is the word for emperor in other nearby languages. (Compare Russian czar; German kaiser.)
  - 0_____0 6y ago
    I learned recently that Caesar was pronounced like "kai-sar" in the original Latin, and had thought that it was interesting that it sounded like Kaiser. You just closed the circle for me on why that is. :)

turndown 6y ago

>Mark Antony would have replaced Ocatavian Can't emphasize enough how different Mark Antony and Octavian were; the history of the Roman Empire probably would have been significantly different as Antony had little to no political skill.

RcouF1uZ4gsC 6y ago

> Octavian, Ceaser was already dead by this point... Only his enemies referred to him as Octavian. He referred to himself as Caesar as did all his men, and later Romans. >one or two particular rulers didn't have that much effect on the long term. Augustus as he became known was probably the single most consequential ruler in Rome. He was the transition between the upheaval of the Roman Revolution at the end of the Roman Republic and the Roman Empire. Without Augustus, it is likely that Rome would have continually been racked by civil wars. The disaster of the 2nd century where Rome bled itself dry in a series of civil wars would likely have been moved up. If Antony and Cleopatra had won, I think what we saw later as the East/West split with the Eastern capital at Constantinople may have happened much earlier with the Eastern capital at Alexandria.

thaumasiotes 6y ago
> He referred to himself as Caesar as did all his men, and later Romans. Not just him. Every Roman emperor was called Caesar, which is why Caesar is the word for emperor in other nearby languages. (Compare Russian czar; German kaiser.)
- 0_____0 6y ago
  I learned recently that Caesar was pronounced like "kai-sar" in the original Latin, and had thought that it was interesting that it sounded like Kaiser. You just closed the circle for me on why that is. :)