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Practically all activities that are legal and protected are surveiled in one way or the other precisely to make sure they stay within the confines of legality.

• behringer 6y ago
  And also to arrest the leaders of said protected activities.
• pstuart 6y ago
  That's a charitable interpretation. For example, infiltrating groups with undercover officers goes beyond making sure that said group is "legal".
  • darawk 6y ago
    Are you opposed to the KKK being infiltrated for surveillance purposes?
    • FilterSweep 6y ago
      theyre not classified as a terrorist group, antifa (a far more ambiguous group) which was at the protests is. the inaction toward the KKK is implicit consent toward their activities. I’m not certain how you could draw a connection given the two groups respective statuses.
      • darawk 6y ago
        My point is that they are both engaged in protected activities of free association and speech. If the standard is that the government should not surveil people engaged in those activities, then the KKK would have to be exempted too. Or, alternatively, you could formulate a more nuanced criteria for when the government should or should not surveil people.
        • pstuart 6y ago
          The KKK was designed to be a terrorist organization.
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          • darawk 6y ago
            I'm not saying that the KKK is not a terrorist organization. I'm just saying that they are not legally classified as one, because of the first amendment. The courts consider it unconstitutional to label any domestic organization as a 'terrorist organization', in the legal sense.
            • aspenmayer 6y ago
              Could you elaborate on this part? > The courts consider it unconstitutional to label any domestic organization as a 'terrorist organization', in the legal sense. I don’t doubt this, but a citation would help me see where you’re coming from, in a legal jurisprudence sense.
              • darawk 6y ago
                https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/trump-cant-designate-antifa-or-any-movement-domestic-terrorist-organization/ https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/trump-cant-designate-antif...
        • FilterSweep 6y ago
          Are Racial lynchings a protected activity? To be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were
          • darawk 6y ago
            Of course not. But not every racist group has engaged in lynchings. Do you think the government should refrain from surveilling racist organizations until they do their first lynching?
      • pstuart 6y ago
        "antifa" is boogeyman designed to spook the cattle. It's at best a label, and on its face, a noble label.
        • FilterSweep 6y ago
          This is naive. Their labeling of antifa as a terrorist organization sets the precedent that ANYONE engaging in antifascist activities or in opposition of fascism is a terrorist.
          • NeutronStar 6y ago
            So we're back to judging by association now?
          • pstuart 6y ago
            I was being lighthearted about watching my country fall to a fascist coup. I agree with your point. It's rather surreal to watch this all happen -- the gaslighting, the racists crawling out from under their rocks, the blatant corruption, and the fomenting of hate amongst the populace. I think things are going to get a lot uglier before November, and after the election to get even worse. We live in perilous times.
    • pstuart 6y ago
      No, being that the KKK is a domestic terrorist organization. One citation of many possible regarding police malfeasance: https://theintercept.com/2020/06/02/history-united-states-government-infiltration-protests/ https://theintercept.com/2020/06/02/history-united-states-go...
      • darawk 6y ago
        There is no such thing as a 'domestic terrorist organization'. It is illegal to classify any domestic organization as terrorist. That's why the KKK isn't one, and it's why Antifa isn't one either, Trump's blustering about it notwithstanding.
        • FilterSweep 6y ago
          Antifa is considered a domestic terrorist organization to the trump admin. Even though being antifa is simply being against fascism.
          • darawk 6y ago
            It's not though. Not in any legal sense.
            • FilterSweep 6y ago
              Is it or is it not? Per this tweet, I really don’t know: https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1267129644228247552 https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1267129644...
              • darawk 6y ago
                https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/trump-cant-designate-antifa-or-any-movement-domestic-terrorist-organization/ https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/trump-cant-designate-antif... Fortunately our legal system doesn't operate on the basis of Trump's tweets.
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• morsch 6y ago
  Eh. This is obviously wrong, I must be misunderstanding you. I was cooking dinner earlier, which is a legal and protected activity. In what way was I being surveilled?
  • Avicebron 6y ago
    Your Blue Apron order data was scraped and compiled to determine that you are in fact Vegetarian /s
    • craftinator 6y ago
      Ouch. When anecdotal cherry-picking goes wrong.