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Passive-voice is the most appropriate for the vast majority of news stories.

ceejayoz 6y ago
Perhaps, but how often do you hear tortured, nonsensical phrasing like "the suspect's gun shot the victim" when discussing non-police incidents? Sometimes the voice switches mid-tweet when the subject does: https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1266935666274906113 https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1266935666274906113 > Minneapolis: A photographer was shot in the eye. > Washington, D.C.: Protesters struck a journalist with his own microphone. > Louisville: A reporter was hit by a pepper ball on live television by an officer who appeared to be aiming at her. "A photographer was shot" (cop), "A reporter was hit" (cop), but "Protesters struck".
- tick_tock_tick 6y ago
  I won't disagree that journalists are crap at consistency, sticking to provable facts, and avoiding injecting biased language into reporting.
  - anigbrowl 6y ago
    If that was the problem then you'd expect loaded phrasing to be about equally distributed, but I don't think that's the case.
zorpner 6y ago
Passive-voice is frequently nonfactual. Cars do not run people over (unless they are rolling, and not being driven); guns do not shoot people (unless they experience a mechanical malfunction). This phrasing is _designed_ to mislead, to divert blame from the responsible parties, and has no place in the vast majority of news stories.
- tick_tock_tick 6y ago
  I disagree many times it's often the only 100% factually correct statement. Person A was run over by a car. Person B was arrested at the scene sitting behind the wheel. The reporter often only has that information to go on. They can not know 100% for sure that Person B ran over Person A. 2 weeks later camera footage comes out showing Person C driving over Person A, getting out of the car and running, and Person B moving over to sit in the drives seat.
  - ATsch 6y ago
    This would be a great point if not for the heavily skewed application of this technique towards the police, as a sibling comment gives examples for.
- mtgp1000 6y ago
  It's purpose is to presume innocence, a tenet which seems to be rapidly fading from society.
  - ATsch 6y ago
    Indeed, it presumes innocence of the police, a standard that is rarely applied to any other group, especially not protesters. That is precisely the problem.

Perhaps, but how often do you hear tortured, nonsensical phrasing like "the suspect's gun shot the victim" when discussing non-police incidents? Sometimes the voice switches mid-tweet when the subject does: https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1266935666274906113 https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1266935666274906113 > Minneapolis: A photographer was shot in the eye. > Washington, D.C.: Protesters struck a journalist with his own microphone. > Louisville: A reporter was hit by a pepper ball on live television by an officer who appeared to be aiming at her. "A photographer was shot" (cop), "A reporter was hit" (cop), but "Protesters struck".

tick_tock_tick 6y ago
I won't disagree that journalists are crap at consistency, sticking to provable facts, and avoiding injecting biased language into reporting.
- anigbrowl 6y ago
  If that was the problem then you'd expect loaded phrasing to be about equally distributed, but I don't think that's the case.

zorpner 6y ago

Passive-voice is frequently nonfactual. Cars do not run people over (unless they are rolling, and not being driven); guns do not shoot people (unless they experience a mechanical malfunction). This phrasing is _designed_ to mislead, to divert blame from the responsible parties, and has no place in the vast majority of news stories.

tick_tock_tick 6y ago
I disagree many times it's often the only 100% factually correct statement. Person A was run over by a car. Person B was arrested at the scene sitting behind the wheel. The reporter often only has that information to go on. They can not know 100% for sure that Person B ran over Person A. 2 weeks later camera footage comes out showing Person C driving over Person A, getting out of the car and running, and Person B moving over to sit in the drives seat.
- ATsch 6y ago
  This would be a great point if not for the heavily skewed application of this technique towards the police, as a sibling comment gives examples for.
mtgp1000 6y ago
It's purpose is to presume innocence, a tenet which seems to be rapidly fading from society.
- ATsch 6y ago
  Indeed, it presumes innocence of the police, a standard that is rarely applied to any other group, especially not protesters. That is precisely the problem.