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One of the main argument for Acme was that keyboard navigation is tends to be one dimensional, whereas navigating with mouse is two dimensional. I find it curi

One of the main argument for Acme was that keyboard navigation is tends to be one dimensional, whereas navigating with mouse is two dimensional. I find it curious that a higher-than-one dimensional representation of a program is not present: proper syntax highlighting makes debugging much faster. Say, I want to see some expression with deeply nested parenthesis (lisp-style, or nested function calling in Python) is matching. I can do that with my eyes, checking the color of the beginning and the ending parenthesis. Same goes for, say, if I want to find a string in my program. I don't have to care about the quotation mark, I can just look at its color being different from the rest. Executing commands with the mouse is heavily underrated and is a behavior I fail to faithfully replicate in i3 - or even Emacs, for that matter - but only if you guys had syntax highlighting...

floren 6y ago
I consider the lack of highlighting part of a "calm" interface: the only thing that changes as I type, are the characters that I type. But maybe that's just Stockholm Syndrome after 15 years of Acme! :) When I need to check nesting levels, I use a little acme-trick: double-click on the closing mark (works for parentheses, curly brackets, quotes, probably more) and it'll highlight everything contained within that level. So if I type (some (big (lisp (expression)))) and want to make sure I got the right number of parentheses at the end, I just double-click on the last one and make sure the whole expression gets highlighted. Here's a screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/Qyvv2K9.png https://i.imgur.com/Qyvv2K9.png I don't find I need to do it particularly often when writing Go, though, and if I do... well, I start to think about refactoring to make my function invocation less obtuse, or whatever.
- somezero 6y ago
  Interesting! But you see all of the benefits of syntax highlighting and real-time linting is about being steered towards a working code in a gradual and unmotivated way, prior to actually intending to check whether the code works... Although I'm not sure how critical this really is. My personal argument for them might really `only` be habit.
- gnuvince 6y ago
  Regarding syntax highlighting, I created my own Emacs theme a few years ago to have only a few constructs highlighted: * The name of a function being defined * Comments * String and character literals The result is very calm [1], but I can still rely on colors to know orient myself and know when I forgot to close a string literal. [1] https://vfoley.xyz/syntax-highlighting/purp3.png https://vfoley.xyz/syntax-highlighting/purp3.png

floren 6y ago

I consider the lack of highlighting part of a "calm" interface: the only thing that changes as I type, are the characters that I type. But maybe that's just Stockholm Syndrome after 15 years of Acme! :) When I need to check nesting levels, I use a little acme-trick: double-click on the closing mark (works for parentheses, curly brackets, quotes, probably more) and it'll highlight everything contained within that level. So if I type (some (big (lisp (expression)))) and want to make sure I got the right number of parentheses at the end, I just double-click on the last one and make sure the whole expression gets highlighted. Here's a screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/Qyvv2K9.png https://i.imgur.com/Qyvv2K9.png I don't find I need to do it particularly often when writing Go, though, and if I do... well, I start to think about refactoring to make my function invocation less obtuse, or whatever.

somezero 6y ago
Interesting! But you see all of the benefits of syntax highlighting and real-time linting is about being steered towards a working code in a gradual and unmotivated way, prior to actually intending to check whether the code works... Although I'm not sure how critical this really is. My personal argument for them might really `only` be habit.
gnuvince 6y ago
Regarding syntax highlighting, I created my own Emacs theme a few years ago to have only a few constructs highlighted: * The name of a function being defined * Comments * String and character literals The result is very calm [1], but I can still rely on colors to know orient myself and know when I forgot to close a string literal. [1] https://vfoley.xyz/syntax-highlighting/purp3.png https://vfoley.xyz/syntax-highlighting/purp3.png