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I do applaud that thinking; I hope it sets a precedent that can be used more widely. I hope they apply it more widely to things they don't necessarily ideologic

I do applaud that thinking; I hope it sets a precedent that can be used more widely. I hope they apply it more widely to things they don't necessarily ideologically agree with. Civil society needs more honesty and dedication to keeping your word, even when that is painful. That might lead to people thinking more carefully about where they stand and what they say as well.

dr_dshiv 6y ago
Amen. This isn't a nonsequitor, I swear: why can't freedom of religion be used to legalize drugs? And, why can't Indian reservations, especially, sell what they please?
- int_19h 6y ago
  > why can't freedom of religion be used to legalize drugs? It can, and has been - this is the origin of the so-called "Religious Freedom Restoration Acts". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Freedom_Restoration_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Freedom_Restoration_...
- virgil_disgr4ce 6y ago
  > why can't freedom of religion be used to legalize drugs This is exactly the sort of thing that the Satanic Temple (not to be confused with the Church of Satan, etc.) investigates and does activism about. Well worth donating to IMO!
- rudolph9 6y ago
  I think use of regulated drugs is legal during a religious service https://www.pewforum.org/2006/02/21/supreme-court-rules-that-religious-group-can-use-illegal-drug-in-their-worship-services/ https://www.pewforum.org/2006/02/21/supreme-court-rules-that... And, again I think, reservations are exempt from state laws/taxes and to certain extent able to make/enforce their own laws/taxes but they still need to follow federal laws.
  - beenBoutIT 6y ago
    The only way to stop our neverending war on drugs is a Constitutional amendment that guarantees every American the right to consume anything they want for any reason. In the next several decades there will be un unprecedented number of elderly Americans living below the poverty line with no pension and medical issues they can't afford to fix - euthanasia will become something of a nuclear option that they'll want available as a last resort. An amendment that guarantees the right to consume any plant/drug/chemical/etc. will have a chance if it's bundled with a 'right to die with dignity', allowing elderly individuals a euthanasia option.
    - genericone 6y ago
      Within reason right? I'm hoping that 'the right to consume anything they want for any reason' wouldn't include those things that cause sudden violent behavior and inability to feel fear and pain. I forget which particular drug does this, but a search brought me to meth and I found this article which says people feel 'invincible' and 'paranoid' and can't be stopped with non-lethal means. https://www.cpr.org/2020/02/05/suspects-on-meth-are-hard-to-take-down-with-tasers-so-many-end-up-dead-in-colorado/ https://www.cpr.org/2020/02/05/suspects-on-meth-are-hard-to-...
      - Darkphibre 6y ago
        Pretty sure you are thinking of PCP, which was advertised as causing these behaviors in the 70s and 80s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phencyclidine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phencyclidine
        smokelegend 6y ago
        PCP, dippers(cigarettes dipped in PCP liquid solution), loveboat (powdered PCP sprinkled on a weed blunt) is still a huge issue in urban US city's. The effects vary per individual but the higher the dosage the more psychoactive effects are felt. I've seen a naked guy take on 8 DC cops....yes 8 police officers, and after being tased 3 times the guy finally went down.(first two attempts didn't take) But he was tossing grown 200-300lbs adult men like they were paper weights. The amount of force it took those officers to over come this one person on PCP was insane. Definitely not something you want to run into.
- bigtones 6y ago
  Indian Reservations still have to abide by Federal Law (which the ruling today affirmed) and selling of 'drugs' is illegal at the Federal level. They can use them in a religious service, but they can't sell them.
  - greyface- 6y ago
    This hasn't stopped states from permitting the sale of cannabis.
- uxp100 6y ago
  There are churches that "sell" marajuana and sometime other drugs this way. It really depends on the location how much it is tolerated. In California before recreational it was mostly tolerated. In states without even medical I think it is usually busted quickly, but you know, results in a court case, maybe they are busted a few times, things are kinda ambiguous, and they sometimes hang around for a while. They often have a connection to Native Americans, often just like, a few people who are Native American involved in the organization spreading what may or may not actually be traditional beliefs.
gadders 6y ago
They do seem to apply it selectively. Scalia was like "It maybe a good idea but it's against the consitution. If the people want it, elect congress to make an amendment/pass a new law". Now it's like "Well, it's not strictly in the constitution, but we like the idea, so if we squint a bit we can probably make a tenous case for it."
SmokeyHamster 6y ago
>I hope they apply it more widely to things they don't necessarily ideologically agree with. You mean like Roe v Wade? Under this ruling, if precedent doesn't matter, only correcting past injustices, Roe v Wade should be overturned immediately.
- skuthus 6y ago
  I'm not following your logic

dr_dshiv 6y ago

Amen. This isn't a nonsequitor, I swear: why can't freedom of religion be used to legalize drugs? And, why can't Indian reservations, especially, sell what they please?

int_19h 6y ago
> why can't freedom of religion be used to legalize drugs? It can, and has been - this is the origin of the so-called "Religious Freedom Restoration Acts". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Freedom_Restoration_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Freedom_Restoration_...
virgil_disgr4ce 6y ago
> why can't freedom of religion be used to legalize drugs This is exactly the sort of thing that the Satanic Temple (not to be confused with the Church of Satan, etc.) investigates and does activism about. Well worth donating to IMO!
rudolph9 6y ago
I think use of regulated drugs is legal during a religious service https://www.pewforum.org/2006/02/21/supreme-court-rules-that-religious-group-can-use-illegal-drug-in-their-worship-services/ https://www.pewforum.org/2006/02/21/supreme-court-rules-that... And, again I think, reservations are exempt from state laws/taxes and to certain extent able to make/enforce their own laws/taxes but they still need to follow federal laws.
- beenBoutIT 6y ago
  The only way to stop our neverending war on drugs is a Constitutional amendment that guarantees every American the right to consume anything they want for any reason. In the next several decades there will be un unprecedented number of elderly Americans living below the poverty line with no pension and medical issues they can't afford to fix - euthanasia will become something of a nuclear option that they'll want available as a last resort. An amendment that guarantees the right to consume any plant/drug/chemical/etc. will have a chance if it's bundled with a 'right to die with dignity', allowing elderly individuals a euthanasia option.
  - genericone 6y ago
    Within reason right? I'm hoping that 'the right to consume anything they want for any reason' wouldn't include those things that cause sudden violent behavior and inability to feel fear and pain. I forget which particular drug does this, but a search brought me to meth and I found this article which says people feel 'invincible' and 'paranoid' and can't be stopped with non-lethal means. https://www.cpr.org/2020/02/05/suspects-on-meth-are-hard-to-take-down-with-tasers-so-many-end-up-dead-in-colorado/ https://www.cpr.org/2020/02/05/suspects-on-meth-are-hard-to-...
    - Darkphibre 6y ago
      Pretty sure you are thinking of PCP, which was advertised as causing these behaviors in the 70s and 80s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phencyclidine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phencyclidine
      - smokelegend 6y ago
        PCP, dippers(cigarettes dipped in PCP liquid solution), loveboat (powdered PCP sprinkled on a weed blunt) is still a huge issue in urban US city's. The effects vary per individual but the higher the dosage the more psychoactive effects are felt. I've seen a naked guy take on 8 DC cops....yes 8 police officers, and after being tased 3 times the guy finally went down.(first two attempts didn't take) But he was tossing grown 200-300lbs adult men like they were paper weights. The amount of force it took those officers to over come this one person on PCP was insane. Definitely not something you want to run into.
bigtones 6y ago
Indian Reservations still have to abide by Federal Law (which the ruling today affirmed) and selling of 'drugs' is illegal at the Federal level. They can use them in a religious service, but they can't sell them.
- greyface- 6y ago
  This hasn't stopped states from permitting the sale of cannabis.
uxp100 6y ago
There are churches that "sell" marajuana and sometime other drugs this way. It really depends on the location how much it is tolerated. In California before recreational it was mostly tolerated. In states without even medical I think it is usually busted quickly, but you know, results in a court case, maybe they are busted a few times, things are kinda ambiguous, and they sometimes hang around for a while. They often have a connection to Native Americans, often just like, a few people who are Native American involved in the organization spreading what may or may not actually be traditional beliefs.

gadders 6y ago

They do seem to apply it selectively. Scalia was like "It maybe a good idea but it's against the consitution. If the people want it, elect congress to make an amendment/pass a new law". Now it's like "Well, it's not strictly in the constitution, but we like the idea, so if we squint a bit we can probably make a tenous case for it."

SmokeyHamster 6y ago

>I hope they apply it more widely to things they don't necessarily ideologically agree with. You mean like Roe v Wade? Under this ruling, if precedent doesn't matter, only correcting past injustices, Roe v Wade should be overturned immediately.

skuthus 6y ago
I'm not following your logic