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Would same-sex civil unions count? Or women and gay people in the military? There are a ton of social issues that society has moved dramatically leftward on; th

Would same-sex civil unions count? Or women and gay people in the military? There are a ton of social issues that society has moved dramatically leftward on; the fact that I agree with them doesn't mean I'm unable to step outside of my biases and understand why a conservative could just as easily make the claim that the left is intransigent.

dougmany 6y ago
But we are not seeing further-to-the-left arguments on marriage rights. It's not like now that same-sex people can marry, people are pushing for plural or animal marriage.
- newen 6y ago
  Not related to marriage rights but it’s pretty obvious that trans rights is the next big issue that’s being pushed nowadays. There was also that whole forcing businesses to make cakes for gay weddings thing (don’t remember the details but it was a whole controversy about rights of businesses to refuse service vs constraints due to discrimination laws).
- Kye 6y ago
  There is a movement for polyamorous marriage. A city in Massachusetts just recognized that arrangement for domestic partnerships. I think, like with same-sex marriage, most people would struggle to think of a reason to be against it that isn't rooted in appeals to tradition. https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/07/massachusetts-city-begins-legally-recognizing-polyamorous-relationships/ https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/07/massachusetts-city-begin... For animals, there's the Harkness Test.
  - jcranmer 6y ago
    Note that the dissent in Obergefell (the case ruling that states had to recognize gay marriage) actually explicitly said "It is striking how much of the majority’s reasoning would apply with equal force to the claim of a fundamental right to plural marriage."
- jlawson 6y ago
  No, they're pushing for free trans surgeries and puberty blockers for kids instead. It doesn't literally have to be the exact same issue over and over.
fiblye 6y ago
The above comments are about people in Congress constantly pushing farther right. Congress could've legalized those at any time but didn't. Courts did.
digitaltrees 6y ago
Most of those changes were driven by courts not republicans consent and compromise in legislation.

dougmany 6y ago

But we are not seeing further-to-the-left arguments on marriage rights. It's not like now that same-sex people can marry, people are pushing for plural or animal marriage.

newen 6y ago
Not related to marriage rights but it’s pretty obvious that trans rights is the next big issue that’s being pushed nowadays. There was also that whole forcing businesses to make cakes for gay weddings thing (don’t remember the details but it was a whole controversy about rights of businesses to refuse service vs constraints due to discrimination laws).
Kye 6y ago
There is a movement for polyamorous marriage. A city in Massachusetts just recognized that arrangement for domestic partnerships. I think, like with same-sex marriage, most people would struggle to think of a reason to be against it that isn't rooted in appeals to tradition. https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/07/massachusetts-city-begins-legally-recognizing-polyamorous-relationships/ https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/07/massachusetts-city-begin... For animals, there's the Harkness Test.
- jcranmer 6y ago
  Note that the dissent in Obergefell (the case ruling that states had to recognize gay marriage) actually explicitly said "It is striking how much of the majority’s reasoning would apply with equal force to the claim of a fundamental right to plural marriage."
jlawson 6y ago
No, they're pushing for free trans surgeries and puberty blockers for kids instead. It doesn't literally have to be the exact same issue over and over.

fiblye 6y ago

The above comments are about people in Congress constantly pushing farther right. Congress could've legalized those at any time but didn't. Courts did.

digitaltrees 6y ago

Most of those changes were driven by courts not republicans consent and compromise in legislation.