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What's nuts about this how tons of people from all levels of government/society participated in this conspiracy. It says a lot about the general attitude of Ch

What's nuts about this how tons of people from all levels of government/society participated in this conspiracy. It says a lot about the general attitude of Chinese people. (I'm chinese, btw)

forgotmypw17 6y ago
I think it says a lot about human nature and concentration of power than about Chinese people in particular.
- jpxw 6y ago
  I think it says both, frankly.
bgee 6y ago
This is the reverse Chauvinism that I often see online; no I don't think this says "a lot" about the general attitude of Chinese people. I'm also Chinese.
- leafboi 6y ago
  Chauvinism has nothing to do with it. It's just raw objectivity. Pride for any culture or race is a form of bias.
  - knolax 6y ago
    Nobody is being prideful, your logic is shoddy. Your hypothesis and the null hypothesis both lead to the same observation. To disprove the null you have to actually observe non-Chinese not cheating. Given that half the comments here are people complaining about something similar happening in their own countries, the evidence points towards the null hypothesis. (I'm an albino black Jew from Mars)
  - bgee 6y ago
    Discrimination against any culture or race is also a form or bias. "Raw objectivity" would be this instance says a lot about the common nature of human beings, the consequences of lack of accountability and oversight etc. Drawing conclusion on Chinese people requires either strong empirical evidence, or prejudice.
hakka-nyu-su 6y ago
Speak for yourself, don't speak on behalf of 1 billion.
- tartoran 6y ago
  Just a question, is HN a available for regular chinese citizens beyond the great firewall? I mean regular people who don’t have a special clearance
system16 6y ago
To be more specific, I think it says a lot about the general attitude of people that have grown up under the CCP, and the 'take what you can get or starve' environment they've fostered. It's seen in other ways like lack of queuing, littering, and the general corruption throughout all levels of bureaucracy. The attitude is far less pervasive in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, or other countries with significant Chinese populations.
- leafboi 6y ago
  For sure, thanks for being more specific. I definitely noticed the overall attitude is generally different for Asians who are not of Chinese Nationality.
- 8ytecoder 6y ago
  It’s also common in India which had a socialist economy with the same “take or starve” outcome until the 90s. It prevails to this day due to to corruption.
- muleroid 6y ago
  I'm not sure it's fair to place the blame solely on the CCP. A lot of the less desirable behavior stemmed from scarcity of resources, especially when the country was poor. Can't comment too much on corruption as I don't have much experience there, but I have noticed things like lining up and littering get better as the standard of living has improved over the years.
duxup 6y ago
I suspect the more corrupt the government the population of officials and their corruption level goes hand in hand. But beyond that I'm not sure it has much to do with society as a whole.
- leafboi 6y ago
  It's a society/cultural/behavioral thing. In China they have a saying: 能骗就骗.
  - ciarannolan 6y ago
    Does that just mean "cheat" or is google translate wrong?
    - leafboi 6y ago
      translation: If you can cheat, cheat. literal word for word translation: Can cheat. Do cheat. In Chinese the word lie can be used in place of cheat and in this context it means something similar to cheating other people.
dang 6y ago
Please don't post nationalistic flamebait to HN, even if you're personally of that nation. It starts flamewars either way, and we don't want those here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- leafboi 6y ago
  This wasn't flame bait. It was just an observation. Please realize that it was other people who decided to flame. Just because someone decides to have a bad attitude doesn't make my post flame bait. I made a general observation about corruption and culture, other people decided to respond to it in a bad way. If this type of comment isn't allowed on HN it's a form of censorship. Basically I can't say anything negative about a culture or a country because it's classified as flame bait. This is similar to the way the CCP practices censorship in China. People in my country basically can't say anything negative about it. Thank you for perpetuating that sentiment here on HN.
  - dang 6y ago
    "It says a lot about the general attitude of Chinese people" in the context of a story about fraud is obvious flamebait. Please follow the site guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html You can call moderation 'censorship'—people mostly just mean by it that they don't like something. I don't see the similarity to the communist party myself, but have been accused of communism so often by now—invariably after doing a bit of standard moderation that somebody disliked—that it has all come to seem more internet-silly than anything anybody actually believes.
    - leafboi 6y ago
      >"It says a lot about the general attitude of Chinese people" in the context of a story about fraud is obvious flamebait. The context is fraud in China. The context involves multiple people from all walks of life and society in China contributing to the fraud. A stark contrast to how corruption occurs in the states. I don't think it's obvious flamebait at all. The definition of what is flamebait itself is rather vague.. A good way to definitively define flamebait is to call it any comment which starts a flamewar. This means a definitive classification of flamebait can only be crystallized after the posting of the comment in question and observing the resulting aftermath... In this case I see no flamewar, so I don't believe my comment constitutes as such.

What's nuts about this how tons of people from all levels of government/society participated in this conspiracy. It says a lot about the general attitude of Chinese people. (I'm chinese, btw)

forgotmypw17 6y ago

I think it says a lot about human nature and concentration of power than about Chinese people in particular.

jpxw 6y ago
I think it says both, frankly.

bgee 6y ago

This is the reverse Chauvinism that I often see online; no I don't think this says "a lot" about the general attitude of Chinese people. I'm also Chinese.

leafboi 6y ago
Chauvinism has nothing to do with it. It's just raw objectivity. Pride for any culture or race is a form of bias.
- knolax 6y ago
  Nobody is being prideful, your logic is shoddy. Your hypothesis and the null hypothesis both lead to the same observation. To disprove the null you have to actually observe non-Chinese not cheating. Given that half the comments here are people complaining about something similar happening in their own countries, the evidence points towards the null hypothesis. (I'm an albino black Jew from Mars)
- bgee 6y ago
  Discrimination against any culture or race is also a form or bias. "Raw objectivity" would be this instance says a lot about the common nature of human beings, the consequences of lack of accountability and oversight etc. Drawing conclusion on Chinese people requires either strong empirical evidence, or prejudice.

hakka-nyu-su 6y ago

Speak for yourself, don't speak on behalf of 1 billion.

tartoran 6y ago
Just a question, is HN a available for regular chinese citizens beyond the great firewall? I mean regular people who don’t have a special clearance

system16 6y ago

To be more specific, I think it says a lot about the general attitude of people that have grown up under the CCP, and the 'take what you can get or starve' environment they've fostered. It's seen in other ways like lack of queuing, littering, and the general corruption throughout all levels of bureaucracy. The attitude is far less pervasive in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, or other countries with significant Chinese populations.

leafboi 6y ago
For sure, thanks for being more specific. I definitely noticed the overall attitude is generally different for Asians who are not of Chinese Nationality.
8ytecoder 6y ago
It’s also common in India which had a socialist economy with the same “take or starve” outcome until the 90s. It prevails to this day due to to corruption.
muleroid 6y ago
I'm not sure it's fair to place the blame solely on the CCP. A lot of the less desirable behavior stemmed from scarcity of resources, especially when the country was poor. Can't comment too much on corruption as I don't have much experience there, but I have noticed things like lining up and littering get better as the standard of living has improved over the years.

duxup 6y ago

I suspect the more corrupt the government the population of officials and their corruption level goes hand in hand. But beyond that I'm not sure it has much to do with society as a whole.

leafboi 6y ago
It's a society/cultural/behavioral thing. In China they have a saying: 能骗就骗.
- ciarannolan 6y ago
  Does that just mean "cheat" or is google translate wrong?
  - leafboi 6y ago
    translation: If you can cheat, cheat. literal word for word translation: Can cheat. Do cheat. In Chinese the word lie can be used in place of cheat and in this context it means something similar to cheating other people.

dang 6y ago

Please don't post nationalistic flamebait to HN, even if you're personally of that nation. It starts flamewars either way, and we don't want those here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

leafboi 6y ago
This wasn't flame bait. It was just an observation. Please realize that it was other people who decided to flame. Just because someone decides to have a bad attitude doesn't make my post flame bait. I made a general observation about corruption and culture, other people decided to respond to it in a bad way. If this type of comment isn't allowed on HN it's a form of censorship. Basically I can't say anything negative about a culture or a country because it's classified as flame bait. This is similar to the way the CCP practices censorship in China. People in my country basically can't say anything negative about it. Thank you for perpetuating that sentiment here on HN.
- dang 6y ago
  "It says a lot about the general attitude of Chinese people" in the context of a story about fraud is obvious flamebait. Please follow the site guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html You can call moderation 'censorship'—people mostly just mean by it that they don't like something. I don't see the similarity to the communist party myself, but have been accused of communism so often by now—invariably after doing a bit of standard moderation that somebody disliked—that it has all come to seem more internet-silly than anything anybody actually believes.
  - leafboi 6y ago
    >"It says a lot about the general attitude of Chinese people" in the context of a story about fraud is obvious flamebait. The context is fraud in China. The context involves multiple people from all walks of life and society in China contributing to the fraud. A stark contrast to how corruption occurs in the states. I don't think it's obvious flamebait at all. The definition of what is flamebait itself is rather vague.. A good way to definitively define flamebait is to call it any comment which starts a flamewar. This means a definitive classification of flamebait can only be crystallized after the posting of the comment in question and observing the resulting aftermath... In this case I see no flamewar, so I don't believe my comment constitutes as such.