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> This article is just more propaganda in the evolving war of words between SV and journalism. There's no war between SV and journalism, theres a feud between

by vslira 6y ago

> This article is just more propaganda in the evolving war of words between SV and journalism. There's no war between SV and journalism, theres a feud between technologically and business savvy content companies and decaying content companies. Op-eds, moral posturing and long forms are not journalism. Journalism is a truthful representation of facts with analysis added for context to inform the readers, which the NYT and many other big names haven't delivered in decades.

jollofricepeas 6y ago
Along with the rest of HN, you have no idea what journalism is. When has journalism ever stuck to “facts”? When has the “news” and “history” been more than short stories and opinion? Hint: Never Read: A History of News by Mitchell Stephens https://openlibrary.org/works/OL1854941W/A_history_of_news https://openlibrary.org/works/OL1854941W/A_history_of_news Read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism Read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_French_journalism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_French_journalism The role of press is not to be “right” or even factual. The role of the press is dissent and debate. The sooner you realize this, you’ll have a deeper appreciation for even those outlets you disagree with. Read: RT, Al-Jazeera, Fox News, Guardian, WaPo, NYT, NYPost, WaTimes, National Review, New Yorker, Vice
- thu2111 6y ago
  The role of the press is dissent and debate. Even if we take your rather controversial definition for granted, the press suck at dissent and debate as well.
  - adamsea 6y ago
    No, you suck at dissent and debate ;). So, I’m saying that to tease you, but also illustrate a point. Was your comment itself a good example of debating? Is mine a good example of dissent or debate? Are either of our comments reasoned, or specific, or providing logic or evidence to support our conclusions? Does humor belong in debate? ;) Does being annoying serve a value or is it a self-justifying position? Am I being annoying? ;)
- vslira 6y ago
  I understand where you're coming from, and while I do understand the value of institutionalized "debating and dissenting" parties (I even believe political parties in a democracy should have declared mouthpieces), there's absolutely no way one can say with a straight face that that is the role mainstream media (and by mainstream I include Al-Jazeera and other "non-allied" traditional-style newspapers) paints itself as having. The term "Newspaper of record" doesn't scream "One voice between many".

by vslira 6y ago

jollofricepeas 6y ago

Along with the rest of HN, you have no idea what journalism is. When has journalism ever stuck to “facts”? When has the “news” and “history” been more than short stories and opinion? Hint: Never Read: A History of News by Mitchell Stephens https://openlibrary.org/works/OL1854941W/A_history_of_news https://openlibrary.org/works/OL1854941W/A_history_of_news Read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism Read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_French_journalism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_French_journalism The role of press is not to be “right” or even factual. The role of the press is dissent and debate. The sooner you realize this, you’ll have a deeper appreciation for even those outlets you disagree with. Read: RT, Al-Jazeera, Fox News, Guardian, WaPo, NYT, NYPost, WaTimes, National Review, New Yorker, Vice

thu2111 6y ago
The role of the press is dissent and debate. Even if we take your rather controversial definition for granted, the press suck at dissent and debate as well.
- adamsea 6y ago
  No, you suck at dissent and debate ;). So, I’m saying that to tease you, but also illustrate a point. Was your comment itself a good example of debating? Is mine a good example of dissent or debate? Are either of our comments reasoned, or specific, or providing logic or evidence to support our conclusions? Does humor belong in debate? ;) Does being annoying serve a value or is it a self-justifying position? Am I being annoying? ;)
vslira 6y ago
I understand where you're coming from, and while I do understand the value of institutionalized "debating and dissenting" parties (I even believe political parties in a democracy should have declared mouthpieces), there's absolutely no way one can say with a straight face that that is the role mainstream media (and by mainstream I include Al-Jazeera and other "non-allied" traditional-style newspapers) paints itself as having. The term "Newspaper of record" doesn't scream "One voice between many".