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>The output of a "UX Designer" is (at least eventually) a UI. Not only. For example if you add 2000 ms to 15000 ms of latency after each click then you might t

>The output of a "UX Designer" is (at least eventually) a UI. Not only. For example if you add 2000 ms to 15000 ms of latency after each click then you might think it is still the same UI. In fact in a sense it is still the same UI. In my opinion by contrast (and contrary to your sentence) the UX designer's output can include the latency budget by which the page must be fully returned. This additional output is captured by a term such as UI/UX. A UI designer has no say about responsiveness (latency). A UX designer does.

systemvoltage 6y ago
latency is still UI. It is the way it operates, you're confounding two things: 1) How does something operate 2) How does something visually look in 2D space They're both the same when we talk about UI including a bunch of other things - smell (stores?), haptics (button response), sound (beep when you autofocus on the camera), texture and a whole bunch more. There is no need for this bullshit term - UX. It is designer woo woo. "Experiential value" - oh you mean, the way user interfaces with the world? It is still an interface. User Interface. An interface to the user. What more do you need to define?
ricardobeat 6y ago
> A UI designer has no say about responsiveness (latency). A UX designer does That is definitely not true. UI design encompasses usability, including interactivity, feedback, animations, etc. Otherwise it's just graphic design. I think the term UX was defined to go way beyond those concerns, and into areas from marketing, branding, copywriting, all the way to what the actual product is, how it is offered, even pricing. Some simple examples: timing and content of emails, purchasing options and how they are displayed, how multiple platforms (mobile, desktop, snailmail, phone) are tied together, content strategy. You can see that aspiration reflected in the designer responses in the beginning of the article: they are the ones mentioning the business side, and not the managers.
- logicallee 6y ago
  >I think the term UX was defined to go way beyond those concerns, and into areas from marketing, branding, copywriting, all the way to what the actual product is, how it is offered, even pricing. Interesting! I'm totally on board with this set of concerns - but can you find any reference for your statement? (Anybody on the web who gave a definition of UX similar to yours?)
dgb23 6y ago
This is part of writing a specification so I would just call this Software Design. The author of such a requirement better have a firm grasp at the technical side of things.

systemvoltage 6y ago

latency is still UI. It is the way it operates, you're confounding two things: 1) How does something operate 2) How does something visually look in 2D space They're both the same when we talk about UI including a bunch of other things - smell (stores?), haptics (button response), sound (beep when you autofocus on the camera), texture and a whole bunch more. There is no need for this bullshit term - UX. It is designer woo woo. "Experiential value" - oh you mean, the way user interfaces with the world? It is still an interface. User Interface. An interface to the user. What more do you need to define?

ricardobeat 6y ago

> A UI designer has no say about responsiveness (latency). A UX designer does That is definitely not true. UI design encompasses usability, including interactivity, feedback, animations, etc. Otherwise it's just graphic design. I think the term UX was defined to go way beyond those concerns, and into areas from marketing, branding, copywriting, all the way to what the actual product is, how it is offered, even pricing. Some simple examples: timing and content of emails, purchasing options and how they are displayed, how multiple platforms (mobile, desktop, snailmail, phone) are tied together, content strategy. You can see that aspiration reflected in the designer responses in the beginning of the article: they are the ones mentioning the business side, and not the managers.

logicallee 6y ago
>I think the term UX was defined to go way beyond those concerns, and into areas from marketing, branding, copywriting, all the way to what the actual product is, how it is offered, even pricing. Interesting! I'm totally on board with this set of concerns - but can you find any reference for your statement? (Anybody on the web who gave a definition of UX similar to yours?)

dgb23 6y ago

This is part of writing a specification so I would just call this Software Design. The author of such a requirement better have a firm grasp at the technical side of things.