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This is a massive yikes, if you don't like the company you work for. Go to another company. The police aren't universally bad and hysteria like this distracts f

This is a massive yikes, if you don't like the company you work for. Go to another company. The police aren't universally bad and hysteria like this distracts from actual issues.

Angostura 6y ago
Presumably you would also say this to coders who work for, I don't know ... Palantir, or companies that make software primarily (but not necessarily) used by spammers?
blahblahblogger 6y ago
Well this type of employee activism is happening everywhere even in tech, or especially so in tech. I work at a company in SF that's gone full ACAB ("all cops are bastards"), defund the police, you must be with us or you are not an "anti-racist", et. There's a lot of internal activist groups and what not. I worry that investors have no idea how much time and resources are spent on this, but then I consider that activist shareholders themselves have become a movement. The reality is that this type of thing is going to become more and more common and accepted.
speedgoose 6y ago
It's not so simple for many people. We are very privileged in IT.
lostgame 6y ago
>> The police aren't universally bad Millions of people in defund the police / abolish the police, and the entire African American community, along with many other marginalized communities; may consider that a very privileged perspective. The police, with the broken laws and systems in place, could very well be universally bad. I think that’s an obvious point of contention at the moment and is a long standing belief that we are reconsidering.
- dx87 6y ago
  > the entire African American community Claiming that every single black person in America thinks that ever single police office in America is bad discredits whatever point you're trying to make. You must spend your entire life in a bubble if you truly believe that.
  - frandroid 6y ago
    It's not that black people believe every single cop is bad, it's that they MUST assume that a cop can do bad things to them. America is truly a police state for Black people. It doesn't matter if 90% of cops are good, if 10% can get away with brutalizing you and worse, all cops are suspect. It's the old dilemma: There's 1% chance this beer can kill you: Do you want to try your chance and drink it? Of course not. But you can't not interact with the police. Just being black is enough to get bad cops' negative attention.
  - tibbydudeza 6y ago
    "Attorney General William Barr on Wednesday acknowledged a “widespread phenomenon” where communities of color are treated differently by police in the US." Really bubble much ????.
Spivak 6y ago
If you don't like the country you live in. Go live somewhere else. The viewpoint does nothing except defend the status quo. People have more power to affect change in their company than just resigning their post and being replaced by someone who doesn't care. Protestors who are literally being beaten senseless in the streets or say, being hit by Ford police cars being used as "crowd control" aren't hysterical. Please watch some of the protest videos -- they're absolutely fucking terrifying. I watched a 120 lb unarmed white woman get picked up and slammed to the concrete by her neck. I watched a police officer pepper spray another unarmed woman point blank in the face when she came up to him asking for help. I watched police "enforce" curfew by spraying rubber bullets on unarmed kids standing on their porches. At the protests in my city I watched police purposefully destroy tables set up by volunteers to give protesters food, water, and medical supplies -- I watched the police bulldoze an old man with a cane -- I watched a disabled man get dragged on the concrete by police after they stole his prosthetic legs.
ipsum2 6y ago
I think Toyota, Hyundai, Honda are happy to build cars for police if Ford doesn't want to.
- tibbydudeza 6y ago
  They now use Ford Explorer SUV's since the California Highway Patrol requires a payload ability of 1700 pounds (4 officers plus gear) and it must be RWD or AWD ... possibly a Toyota Landcruiser (too $$$) or Honda Pilot (4WD ???).
PCI-eX16 6y ago
Espousing the idea that you can't love where you work while also asking them to change something, that we should not question our superiors, is a massive yikes.
outworlder 6y ago
> The police aren't universally bad As long as they are allowed to investigate themselves and are not require to make any reports or have independent oversight, we can't even claim that!

This is a massive yikes, if you don't like the company you work for. Go to another company. The police aren't universally bad and hysteria like this distracts from actual issues.

Angostura 6y ago

Presumably you would also say this to coders who work for, I don't know ... Palantir, or companies that make software primarily (but not necessarily) used by spammers?

blahblahblogger 6y ago

Well this type of employee activism is happening everywhere even in tech, or especially so in tech. I work at a company in SF that's gone full ACAB ("all cops are bastards"), defund the police, you must be with us or you are not an "anti-racist", et. There's a lot of internal activist groups and what not. I worry that investors have no idea how much time and resources are spent on this, but then I consider that activist shareholders themselves have become a movement. The reality is that this type of thing is going to become more and more common and accepted.

speedgoose 6y ago

It's not so simple for many people. We are very privileged in IT.

lostgame 6y ago

>> The police aren't universally bad Millions of people in defund the police / abolish the police, and the entire African American community, along with many other marginalized communities; may consider that a very privileged perspective. The police, with the broken laws and systems in place, could very well be universally bad. I think that’s an obvious point of contention at the moment and is a long standing belief that we are reconsidering.

dx87 6y ago
> the entire African American community Claiming that every single black person in America thinks that ever single police office in America is bad discredits whatever point you're trying to make. You must spend your entire life in a bubble if you truly believe that.
- frandroid 6y ago
  It's not that black people believe every single cop is bad, it's that they MUST assume that a cop can do bad things to them. America is truly a police state for Black people. It doesn't matter if 90% of cops are good, if 10% can get away with brutalizing you and worse, all cops are suspect. It's the old dilemma: There's 1% chance this beer can kill you: Do you want to try your chance and drink it? Of course not. But you can't not interact with the police. Just being black is enough to get bad cops' negative attention.
- tibbydudeza 6y ago
  "Attorney General William Barr on Wednesday acknowledged a “widespread phenomenon” where communities of color are treated differently by police in the US." Really bubble much ????.

Spivak 6y ago

If you don't like the country you live in. Go live somewhere else. The viewpoint does nothing except defend the status quo. People have more power to affect change in their company than just resigning their post and being replaced by someone who doesn't care. Protestors who are literally being beaten senseless in the streets or say, being hit by Ford police cars being used as "crowd control" aren't hysterical. Please watch some of the protest videos -- they're absolutely fucking terrifying. I watched a 120 lb unarmed white woman get picked up and slammed to the concrete by her neck. I watched a police officer pepper spray another unarmed woman point blank in the face when she came up to him asking for help. I watched police "enforce" curfew by spraying rubber bullets on unarmed kids standing on their porches. At the protests in my city I watched police purposefully destroy tables set up by volunteers to give protesters food, water, and medical supplies -- I watched the police bulldoze an old man with a cane -- I watched a disabled man get dragged on the concrete by police after they stole his prosthetic legs.

ipsum2 6y ago

I think Toyota, Hyundai, Honda are happy to build cars for police if Ford doesn't want to.

tibbydudeza 6y ago
They now use Ford Explorer SUV's since the California Highway Patrol requires a payload ability of 1700 pounds (4 officers plus gear) and it must be RWD or AWD ... possibly a Toyota Landcruiser (too $$$) or Honda Pilot (4WD ???).

PCI-eX16 6y ago

Espousing the idea that you can't love where you work while also asking them to change something, that we should not question our superiors, is a massive yikes.

outworlder 6y ago

> The police aren't universally bad As long as they are allowed to investigate themselves and are not require to make any reports or have independent oversight, we can't even claim that!