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It's disingenuous, he knows the blog posts are compiled into an ebook and says as much.

nullc 6y ago
If you really want to paint SSC in a negative light the optimal tool isn't the posts-- it's the comments. Some of the posts were pretty cringe worthy but the comments were far more reliably cringe worthy.
- zozbot234 6y ago
  Plenty of cringe worthy comments on HN, too. I mean, usually they're greyed out but still.
  - brokensegue 6y ago
    i think they mean comments by Scott Alexander on his own blog.
  - AgentME 6y ago
    Ethnonationalists and race realists aren't too popular here or defended by the people in charge.
- AnthonyMouse 6y ago
  Wait until you hear about YouTube and Reddit.
baddox 6y ago
Doesn't that also mean the very act of "deleting" the blog is disingenuous? If deleting the blog doesn't meaningfully impede accessing the blog articles, then what's the point, other than drawing attention to the situation?
- WillPostForFood 6y ago
  It obviously does meaningfully impede access. Delisted from google, all existing links broken. Viewablity of articles will be down 99.99%.
  - basch 6y ago
    Exactly. It's absolutely more than a stunt, despite it drawing its own kind of Barbara attention. Dedicated people will still be able to find it, but the lowest effort attackers wont put in the work to dig. It silences a chunk of outrage culture who will just move on to the next target, rather than investigate broken links.
- NicolasGorden 6y ago
  I never knew deleting anything automatically implied having no back ups. SSC even announced he had back ups. So... even for the assuming people out there he placed disclaimers. Yet more disingenuous statements.
- tripletao 6y ago
  It's just the publicity stunt, leaving the NYT with the options to (a) drop the story, (b) omit a significant detail, or (c) report that he deleted the blog because they said they were going to doxx him. The story hasn't been published yet, so it's working so far. Short-term, this has probably net increased the visibility of Alexander's content (slightly less convenient to access, but much more attention), and I assume he expected that. The reporter can't actually believe that Alexander is trying to hide something horrible that he wrote, so the sentence I quoted can only be knowingly dishonest innuendo. That's why I said "ugly".
  - baddox 6y ago
    > The reporter can't actually believe that Alexander is trying to hide something horrible that he wrote It might be a little farfetched, but no moreso than Alexander's own reasoning for deleting the blog. I think it's a little much to call the whole article "ugly" because of that.
    - tripletao 6y ago
      What do you mean? Alexander said himself that he was doing this as a protest and publicity stunt, and he seems to have taken no actions beyond that publicity stunt to make the content less available (e.g., he hasn't (yet) requested deletion from the Internet Archive). His words and actions seem entirely consistent to me, so I'm not sure why you doubt him.
      - baddox 6y ago
        I never said anything about consistency. I'm talking about your claim that the article is "ugly."
        tripletao 6y ago
        To be clear: 1. I believe the New Yorker reporter disingenuously made a statement that he knew to be false (because deleting the blog is clearly effective as a protest and publicity stunt, and clearly ineffective in removing access to content that's been widely mirrored elsewhere already) in order to create the false impression that Alexander might be trying to hide something. 2. I consider knowing falsehoods intended to harm others to be ugly. I thought you were disagreeing with (1), which is why I thought it's relevant that Alexander himself said his goal was that publicity, and that his actions seem consistent with his words. Are you saying that you agree with (1) but disagree with (2)?
- darawk 6y ago
  No. Read Scott's own reasoning on the situation here: https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/06/22/nyt-is-threatening-my-safety-by-revealing-my-real-name-so-i-am-deleting-the-blog/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/06/22/nyt-is-threatening-my-... In short, he's not worried about dedicated antagonists finding him. He's worried about his psychiatric patients finding his blog, and that interfering with his relationships with them. Deleting the blog makes it moderately more difficult for them to do that.
  - baddox 6y ago
    I don't understand. Publishing his name in the NYT will surely already cause any of his patients who read that to realize it's an article about their doctor. Surely that's where the interference would come from ("whoa, my doctor has been writing about his practice on a public blog for years"), not from the patient visiting the blog. If the patient wants to find the blog, I'm sure they will be able to.
    - astine 6y ago
      Right, that's why he's trying to stop the NYT from publishing his name. The game isn't that he thinks that by deleting the blog he'll prevent people from finding him even if he's mentioned in the NYT, it's that by deleting the blog it'll make it untenable for the NYT to publish his name. He's gamblng that the NYT will blink. He might at some later date decide that he needs to erase his iInternet presence entirely, but I don't think that's his current game.
Tyr42 6y ago
He also quotes extensively from SSC, so he clearly has an archived version of it open.
- mjw1007 6y ago
  I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of this article is taken from Metz's proposed article (if it turns out that that never gets published).

If you really want to paint SSC in a negative light the optimal tool isn't the posts-- it's the comments. Some of the posts were pretty cringe worthy but the comments were far more reliably cringe worthy.

zozbot234 6y ago
Plenty of cringe worthy comments on HN, too. I mean, usually they're greyed out but still.
- brokensegue 6y ago
  i think they mean comments by Scott Alexander on his own blog.
- AgentME 6y ago
  Ethnonationalists and race realists aren't too popular here or defended by the people in charge.
AnthonyMouse 6y ago
Wait until you hear about YouTube and Reddit.

baddox 6y ago

Doesn't that also mean the very act of "deleting" the blog is disingenuous? If deleting the blog doesn't meaningfully impede accessing the blog articles, then what's the point, other than drawing attention to the situation?

WillPostForFood 6y ago
It obviously does meaningfully impede access. Delisted from google, all existing links broken. Viewablity of articles will be down 99.99%.
- basch 6y ago
  Exactly. It's absolutely more than a stunt, despite it drawing its own kind of Barbara attention. Dedicated people will still be able to find it, but the lowest effort attackers wont put in the work to dig. It silences a chunk of outrage culture who will just move on to the next target, rather than investigate broken links.
NicolasGorden 6y ago
I never knew deleting anything automatically implied having no back ups. SSC even announced he had back ups. So... even for the assuming people out there he placed disclaimers. Yet more disingenuous statements.
tripletao 6y ago
It's just the publicity stunt, leaving the NYT with the options to (a) drop the story, (b) omit a significant detail, or (c) report that he deleted the blog because they said they were going to doxx him. The story hasn't been published yet, so it's working so far. Short-term, this has probably net increased the visibility of Alexander's content (slightly less convenient to access, but much more attention), and I assume he expected that. The reporter can't actually believe that Alexander is trying to hide something horrible that he wrote, so the sentence I quoted can only be knowingly dishonest innuendo. That's why I said "ugly".
- baddox 6y ago
  > The reporter can't actually believe that Alexander is trying to hide something horrible that he wrote It might be a little farfetched, but no moreso than Alexander's own reasoning for deleting the blog. I think it's a little much to call the whole article "ugly" because of that.
  - tripletao 6y ago
    What do you mean? Alexander said himself that he was doing this as a protest and publicity stunt, and he seems to have taken no actions beyond that publicity stunt to make the content less available (e.g., he hasn't (yet) requested deletion from the Internet Archive). His words and actions seem entirely consistent to me, so I'm not sure why you doubt him.
    - baddox 6y ago
      I never said anything about consistency. I'm talking about your claim that the article is "ugly."
      - tripletao 6y ago
        To be clear: 1. I believe the New Yorker reporter disingenuously made a statement that he knew to be false (because deleting the blog is clearly effective as a protest and publicity stunt, and clearly ineffective in removing access to content that's been widely mirrored elsewhere already) in order to create the false impression that Alexander might be trying to hide something. 2. I consider knowing falsehoods intended to harm others to be ugly. I thought you were disagreeing with (1), which is why I thought it's relevant that Alexander himself said his goal was that publicity, and that his actions seem consistent with his words. Are you saying that you agree with (1) but disagree with (2)?
darawk 6y ago
No. Read Scott's own reasoning on the situation here: https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/06/22/nyt-is-threatening-my-safety-by-revealing-my-real-name-so-i-am-deleting-the-blog/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/06/22/nyt-is-threatening-my-... In short, he's not worried about dedicated antagonists finding him. He's worried about his psychiatric patients finding his blog, and that interfering with his relationships with them. Deleting the blog makes it moderately more difficult for them to do that.
- baddox 6y ago
  I don't understand. Publishing his name in the NYT will surely already cause any of his patients who read that to realize it's an article about their doctor. Surely that's where the interference would come from ("whoa, my doctor has been writing about his practice on a public blog for years"), not from the patient visiting the blog. If the patient wants to find the blog, I'm sure they will be able to.
  - astine 6y ago
    Right, that's why he's trying to stop the NYT from publishing his name. The game isn't that he thinks that by deleting the blog he'll prevent people from finding him even if he's mentioned in the NYT, it's that by deleting the blog it'll make it untenable for the NYT to publish his name. He's gamblng that the NYT will blink. He might at some later date decide that he needs to erase his iInternet presence entirely, but I don't think that's his current game.

Tyr42 6y ago

He also quotes extensively from SSC, so he clearly has an archived version of it open.

mjw1007 6y ago
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of this article is taken from Metz's proposed article (if it turns out that that never gets published).