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Honestly after all the Native Americans went through, give them the whole state at least. People in the United States speak and reflect often about the atrociti

Honestly after all the Native Americans went through, give them the whole state at least. People in the United States speak and reflect often about the atrocities of slavery. We need to equally reflect on and remember the atrocities against Native Americans.

II2II 6y ago
As the article suggests, this doesn't really give the land to the first nation. It simply means that it falls under federal jurisdiction.
pathseeker 6y ago
What do you mean "them"? You do realize that there were many different tribes who had very drastically different interactions with the US, right?
- mixmastamyk 6y ago
  And in almost every corner of the continent. http://www.emersonkent.com/map_archive/native_american_tribes_map.htm http://www.emersonkent.com/map_archive/native_american_tribe... Maybe counties would be a better unit to consider.
- chrisco255 6y ago
  This is correct. People treat native Americans as some sort of monolithic bloc when they were anything but. The tribes themselves had many warring feuds going back centuries and developed competing alliances with imperial forces when they arrived, some allying with the French, others with the British or Spanish.
- Angostura 6y ago
  I believe the answer would be > Native Americans. Whether that encompasses multiple tribes or not, doesn't change that.
  - gowld 6y ago
    Giving the Florida Seminoles territory in Oklahoma (or giving land to an Oklahoma tribe and calling that a ceding to Seminoles?) would be weird at best.
  - pathseeker 6y ago
    Of course it changes it. How do you "give Oklahoma" to a bunch of distinct nations that have no relationship?
ClumsyPilot 6y ago
I am not from US, so i am not very clued in to this, but a State or mini-state would sound a lot better than a 'reservation'
- titanomachy 6y ago
  In Canada we use the term "nation".
  - benatkin 6y ago
    In Northern Arizona, where I'm from, we often say Navajo Nation. I think partly that's because of the alliteration.
- Robotbeat 6y ago
  “Indian Nation” is sometimes used, if I understand correctly.
undersuit 6y ago
Which Native Americans should we give the state to, the ones that lived there originally or one of the tribes we force relocated to the area?
tyre 6y ago
This is what Oklahoma was initially meant to be. There were even talks of having two Native American states in the united states, the other being Sequoia I think. Then the US renegged on those promises, land was given to railroad companies, and flooded colonists. In many ways we're seeing the same thing with Tibet and China. It's horrific.
- jcranmer 6y ago
  Oklahoma was originally all Indian territory, and reserved for future allotment of reservations. The western half of Oklahoma was (mostly) never assigned, and instead opened up to white settlers in a variety of land rushes, relegating Indian territory to the land already allotted to reservations in the eastern half. That rump Indian territory applied to be a state as the Sequoyah, but it was turned down, so it was merged with Oklahoma territory to become the State of Oklahoma.
pcbro141 6y ago
It's also disappointing how little has been done to close the racial wealth gap from the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow. It seems the gap hasn't changed much since the 1950s and 1960s and I don't see how it gets better short of a massive reparations package and investment in building up distressed communities. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/todays-racial-wealth-gap-is-wider-than-in-the-1960s https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/todays-racial-wealth-gap...
starpilot 6y ago
I'd rather not. In the NorCal (Jefferson) reservations, the natives setup huge nets to catch fish, load them into refrigerated trucks, and sell the catch to San Francisco restaurants. It's devastating to the ecosystem. As with building casinos, or the Grand Canyon Skywalk, they tend to commercialize/exploit as much as they can when they are free from state laws.
- NonEUCitizen 6y ago
  They are sovereign. Neither you nor the state of California should impose your views on them. If anything, we should ask permission from them to be on California land.
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ip26 6y ago
Ok, how about your state? (I'm not disagreeing, just trying to highlight one of the fundamental challenges here...)

II2II 6y ago

As the article suggests, this doesn't really give the land to the first nation. It simply means that it falls under federal jurisdiction.

pathseeker 6y ago

What do you mean "them"? You do realize that there were many different tribes who had very drastically different interactions with the US, right?

mixmastamyk 6y ago
And in almost every corner of the continent. http://www.emersonkent.com/map_archive/native_american_tribes_map.htm http://www.emersonkent.com/map_archive/native_american_tribe... Maybe counties would be a better unit to consider.
chrisco255 6y ago
This is correct. People treat native Americans as some sort of monolithic bloc when they were anything but. The tribes themselves had many warring feuds going back centuries and developed competing alliances with imperial forces when they arrived, some allying with the French, others with the British or Spanish.
Angostura 6y ago
I believe the answer would be > Native Americans. Whether that encompasses multiple tribes or not, doesn't change that.
- gowld 6y ago
  Giving the Florida Seminoles territory in Oklahoma (or giving land to an Oklahoma tribe and calling that a ceding to Seminoles?) would be weird at best.
- pathseeker 6y ago
  Of course it changes it. How do you "give Oklahoma" to a bunch of distinct nations that have no relationship?

ClumsyPilot 6y ago

I am not from US, so i am not very clued in to this, but a State or mini-state would sound a lot better than a 'reservation'

titanomachy 6y ago
In Canada we use the term "nation".
- benatkin 6y ago
  In Northern Arizona, where I'm from, we often say Navajo Nation. I think partly that's because of the alliteration.
Robotbeat 6y ago
“Indian Nation” is sometimes used, if I understand correctly.

undersuit 6y ago

Which Native Americans should we give the state to, the ones that lived there originally or one of the tribes we force relocated to the area?

tyre 6y ago

This is what Oklahoma was initially meant to be. There were even talks of having two Native American states in the united states, the other being Sequoia I think. Then the US renegged on those promises, land was given to railroad companies, and flooded colonists. In many ways we're seeing the same thing with Tibet and China. It's horrific.

jcranmer 6y ago
Oklahoma was originally all Indian territory, and reserved for future allotment of reservations. The western half of Oklahoma was (mostly) never assigned, and instead opened up to white settlers in a variety of land rushes, relegating Indian territory to the land already allotted to reservations in the eastern half. That rump Indian territory applied to be a state as the Sequoyah, but it was turned down, so it was merged with Oklahoma territory to become the State of Oklahoma.

pcbro141 6y ago

It's also disappointing how little has been done to close the racial wealth gap from the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow. It seems the gap hasn't changed much since the 1950s and 1960s and I don't see how it gets better short of a massive reparations package and investment in building up distressed communities. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/todays-racial-wealth-gap-is-wider-than-in-the-1960s https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/todays-racial-wealth-gap...

starpilot 6y ago

I'd rather not. In the NorCal (Jefferson) reservations, the natives setup huge nets to catch fish, load them into refrigerated trucks, and sell the catch to San Francisco restaurants. It's devastating to the ecosystem. As with building casinos, or the Grand Canyon Skywalk, they tend to commercialize/exploit as much as they can when they are free from state laws.

NonEUCitizen 6y ago
They are sovereign. Neither you nor the state of California should impose your views on them. If anything, we should ask permission from them to be on California land.
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ip26 6y ago

Ok, how about your state? (I'm not disagreeing, just trying to highlight one of the fundamental challenges here...)