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I cringed at the part where they're yelling about epinephrine and IVs, and Jason has to barge in and put her upside down again.
by phyzome 6y ago
I cringed at the part where they're yelling about epinephrine and IVs, and Jason has to barge in and put her upside down again.
- forgotmypw17 6y agoI think it is illustrative of how important it is to have someone who cares about you and knows you around when dealing with doctors.
- koheripbal 6y agoAn incredibly tiny percentage of cases presenting to the ER are unique and necessitate a friend or family's help in diagnosis - let alone treatment.
- lmilcin 6y agoI know multiple stories from just my family of people who only got adequate help through persistence of their family member or significant other. Though I am from Poland and I don't consider Poland to have adequate medical system. When you are really bad you may not be able to explain to medical staff what is going on. There are cases in life threatening condition that are misdiagnosed as drunk. You need a family member to tell the medical staff that no, they are absolutely positively sure you are not drunk.
- wolco 6y agoSurprised they can't smell the difference.
- kjeetgill 6y agoThat kinda talk is exactly why the parent holds that sentiment. I get that to a doctor you're being evaluated against a statistic, but as a patient I'm obviously invested in my particular circumstances. Not blaming anyone, but nobody feels reassured being treated that way.
- HeadsUpHigh 6y agoIt depends on the situation. If the patient can talk and answer to questions it's usually enough. If they can't then having someone else play that part instead usually helps. 99% of the cases though patients think they are special in their problem but they are not.
- forgotmypw17 6y agoI think you're ignoring a huge gap between "can talk" and "can adequately explain situation and advocate for self and how they are feeling to a relatively dispassionate listener". I'm not saying that doctors are dispassionate, but that doctor will be spending at most half an hour with the patient, if you're lucky, while your family will be with you the whole time, listening attentively.
- HeadsUpHigh 6y agoDoesn't need to be super precise. We are trained to work with uncooperative patients. Of course it helps though.
- forgotmypw17 6y agoWith all due respect, I've personally been witness to two different occasions when having a family member around asking questions literally saved someone's life by drawing the doctor's attention to something they had not noticed previously.
- HeadsUpHigh 6y agoThen it's the doctor's fault for not noticing it.
- forgotmypw17 6y agoWell, that's the whole fucking point I'm making, isn't it? All doctors, even the best, are busy, tired, and overworked, and no matter how much they want to give you all the attention you need, they're not able to, in part because how our medical system set up, and in part because that's just... reality. And they're going to not notice something all the time, even the best doctors in the best hospitals. And if the best doctors are fucking up, what about the ones who are not so good? If you want a good outcome, you need your own advocate, be responsible and inquisitive, and you can't just leave it to the doctors.
- mumbisChungo 6y agoDo you have a source for this? From my experiences, healthcare advice is designed for the most likely scenario given an imaginary average person- and it is incredibly important to take an active role in conversations with medical professionals (I suppose unless you happen to be perfectly average in every way and experiencing the most likely ailment given your description).
- forgotmypw17 6y agoThat's quite a claim to make without any evidence to back it up. I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about. If you had ever accompanied someone with a serious condition, you would probably think differently. I don't have that much experience in this area, yet I've personally witnessed several occasions when family advocating for a patient saved their life. And, sadly, vice versa as well. This is in the U.S, in major cities, in hospitals that were recommended as being above average by those in the know (medical professionals and other patients.)
- TallGuyShort 6y agoI call bullshit. I have more children than average and during every single labor & delivery I've caught paperwork problems and mistakes in communication while my wife was too distracted to pay attention to such things herself. All minor, but given the option I would always want an advocate on my wide who is purely there for my own benefit and who isn't experiencing a major medical problem at the time.
- forgotmypw17 6y agoJust someone being there will cause staff to pay more attention to a patient.
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- sidlls 6y agoI doubt it. My son would very likely have had permanent damage to some of his internal organs while in the NICU had I not insisted on a second look at a diagnosis after the physician ruled it based on a checklist cross-indexed with age because "it's impossible." And that was just one instance among many where me and my wife were the best--and most accurate--advocates for our son's care. It's not that doctor's are dumb or uncaring: they're simply stretched thin and feel they have to play by restrictive rules put in place to help prevent lawsuits. It is absolutely crucial, in my opinion, to have someone who truly cares about you accompany you if you must go into a hospital for any reason.
- phyzome 6y agoFrom people I know in healthcare it is very common for people to catch healthcare provider mistakes ranging from troubling to terrifying. It absolutely needs to be a collaboration whenever possible.
- saeranv 6y agoRight after the couple explained the pattern, predicted the consequence of placing her on the bed, and how to solve it!
- hinkley 6y agoSeems like "Thinking, Fast and Slow" territory. They were fed new info but the intuitive part of the brain just went straight to the routine even though they had evidence this was not routine.
- abrookewood 6y agoDefinitely - they just reacted exactly as they have been trained to do.
- fibbery 6y agoProbably the doctor has no readily accessible way to hang a patient upside down and wouldn't want the legal liability of doing so anyway.
- phyzome 6y agoExcept for the "giant" who brought the patient in.