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==If you want to make an argument that immigrants are good for these programs you need to limit immigration to higher economic output (and thus tax revenue) ind

==If you want to make an argument that immigrants are good for these programs you need to limit immigration to higher economic output (and thus tax revenue) individuals== Do you have any sources on this claim? I'd be interested to read.

nine_k 6y ago
I suppose similar was the reasoning behind the H1 visa program, which explicitly limited the lower bounds of salaries for the immigrants. (It did not limit other immigration types, of course.)
mdorazio 6y ago
Sure, see pages 35-36 (combined with the previous section on poverty) of [1]. Note that most studies claiming otherwise do not account for income level of immigrants, which is what I am responding to here. Higher income immigrants are generally a net positive for social programs, but lower income immigrants are not. [1] https://cis.org/sites/cis.org/files/articles/2001/mexico/mexico.pdf https://cis.org/sites/cis.org/files/articles/2001/mexico/mex...
- take_a_breath 6y ago
  1. I don’t see where your charts show that lower income immigrants leading to a deficit in the safety net. 2. Your study is 20 years old. 3. The Center for Immigration Studies is not un-biased on immigration. The exclusive focus on Mexico might have been a giveaway. The first section of their Wikipedia entry: “The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is an anti-immigration think tank. It favors far lower immigration numbers, and produces analyses to further those views. The CIS was founded by historian Otis L. Graham and eugenicist and white nationalist John Tanton. The organization was founded in 1985 as a spin-off from the Federation for American Immigration Reform, and is one of a number of anti-immigration organizations founded by Tanton, along with FAIR and NumbersUSA.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studi...

nine_k 6y ago

I suppose similar was the reasoning behind the H1 visa program, which explicitly limited the lower bounds of salaries for the immigrants. (It did not limit other immigration types, of course.)

mdorazio 6y ago

Sure, see pages 35-36 (combined with the previous section on poverty) of [1]. Note that most studies claiming otherwise do not account for income level of immigrants, which is what I am responding to here. Higher income immigrants are generally a net positive for social programs, but lower income immigrants are not. [1] https://cis.org/sites/cis.org/files/articles/2001/mexico/mexico.pdf https://cis.org/sites/cis.org/files/articles/2001/mexico/mex...

take_a_breath 6y ago
1. I don’t see where your charts show that lower income immigrants leading to a deficit in the safety net. 2. Your study is 20 years old. 3. The Center for Immigration Studies is not un-biased on immigration. The exclusive focus on Mexico might have been a giveaway. The first section of their Wikipedia entry: “The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is an anti-immigration think tank. It favors far lower immigration numbers, and produces analyses to further those views. The CIS was founded by historian Otis L. Graham and eugenicist and white nationalist John Tanton. The organization was founded in 1985 as a spin-off from the Federation for American Immigration Reform, and is one of a number of anti-immigration organizations founded by Tanton, along with FAIR and NumbersUSA.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studi...