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What could you do with $41 Million?

12 points by chaosmachine 16y ago

pclark 16y ago
Making 40 stable revenue growth driven companies does not trump 1 Google or Facebook. These companies are not comparable, and cut from entirely different DNA and if you try to compare them, you just sound bizarre.
- chaosmachine 16y ago
  I wasn't really comparing them as much as just thinking about other ways to use that money. Would any of those 40 companies turn into the next Google? Probably not. On the other hand, what are Color's odds? And like I said, you'd still have 5 million left, enough to give seed funding to every Y Combinator launch since 2005. If you're looking for Google-sized returns, that's where I'd start.
  - pclark 16y ago
    Their odds are much better than the 40 other companies.
dodo53 16y ago
Build a paywall for the NY times :o)
- deleted 16y ago
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- greyfade 16y ago
  ... With $1M left over to embezzle! :)
thekevan 16y ago
Retire
- blinder2451 16y ago
  I agree! I would make games for the iPhone, and let my imagination run wild!
bane 16y ago
I'd start a Y Combinator East Coast, looking for great startups between D.C. and Boston.
nazgulnarsil 16y ago
fund SENS.
dutchrapley 16y ago
[2] More than enough money to give seed funding to every Y Combinator startup since 2005. That says it all. Instead of pumping it all into one company, diversify. If you invest in 40 different companies, more than one is bound to come out on top. 40 x $150k = $6 million http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/28/yuri-milner-sv-angel-offer-every-new-y-combinator-startup-150k/ http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/28/yuri-milner-sv-angel-offer-... http://www.crunchbase.com/financial-organization/start-fund http://www.crunchbase.com/financial-organization/start-fund
- patio11 16y ago
  There is a bit more to YC than just investing in a lot of companies. If that were all the secret sauce you needed, the VC industry would probably rack up impressive average return numbers like cough 0%. (It has not been a kind ten years to the industry, to put it mildly.)
  - dutchrapley 16y ago
    "There is a bit more to YC than just investing in a lot of companies." You're exactly right, investing isn't going to make those companies succeed as you said, doesn't increase your chance of getting a return at all. There's a ton of dynamics at work. What we do know is that the YC team has a process that works. I'm not going to say they have a "formula," since that would imply that they take the same approach with every class and company. I imagine it's something they work to improve each time and adapt uniquely with each situation. The recent bulk investment in YC companies rides on the YC team's decision making process, based on a good track record. Granted, you're likely to see a better return with investment in 40 YC companies over 40 that have been randomly picked.
jonnathanson 16y ago
I would almost rather turn down $41M in the first round. I just don't need that much money so early on, and quite frankly, I think it would corrupt me. I'd be much more prone to making expensive, wild, ultimately bad choices. I'd be more liklely to overhire and overspend. I'd be more likely to get reckless. I'd probably, even if not consciously, scale up my company more quickly than I'd scale up my business. And I'd probably have an army of financial overlords demanding that I do so. That's just me, obviously, and I can't generalize to everyone out there. But I have a pretty good feeling that plenty of others would fall into the same traps. $41M is way too much for an early-stage startup for most people -- unless we're talking about a category with extremely high capital barriers to entry, like biotech or energy. $41M to scale up an existing and growing business? Definitely. $41M to start up a business? No, thanks.
jjudge 16y ago
Love this quote: "I think, at the end of the year, if you picked your team right, you'd have a pretty good shot at a profitable business. And if it fails? Well, good news, you can do it all over again. 40 times. And still have $5 million left" As someone who has bootstrapped a company to profitability, you're definitely right about people the most important ingredient. I think Color definitely took a lot of money, but the goal is to get the app installed on every phone possible - and that will take a lot of advertising money.
thrill 16y ago
I'm at the beginning of a (non software) project that $40 MM would likely return 25X (will need about 3x that before it's done).

12 points by chaosmachine 16y ago

Making 40 stable revenue growth driven companies does not trump 1 Google or Facebook. These companies are not comparable, and cut from entirely different DNA and if you try to compare them, you just sound bizarre.

chaosmachine 16y ago
I wasn't really comparing them as much as just thinking about other ways to use that money. Would any of those 40 companies turn into the next Google? Probably not. On the other hand, what are Color's odds? And like I said, you'd still have 5 million left, enough to give seed funding to every Y Combinator launch since 2005. If you're looking for Google-sized returns, that's where I'd start.
- pclark 16y ago
  Their odds are much better than the 40 other companies.

dodo53 16y ago

Build a paywall for the NY times :o)

deleted 16y ago
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greyfade 16y ago
... With $1M left over to embezzle! :)

thekevan 16y ago

Retire

blinder2451 16y ago
I agree! I would make games for the iPhone, and let my imagination run wild!

bane 16y ago

I'd start a Y Combinator East Coast, looking for great startups between D.C. and Boston.

nazgulnarsil 16y ago

fund SENS.

dutchrapley 16y ago

[2] More than enough money to give seed funding to every Y Combinator startup since 2005. That says it all. Instead of pumping it all into one company, diversify. If you invest in 40 different companies, more than one is bound to come out on top. 40 x $150k = $6 million http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/28/yuri-milner-sv-angel-offer-every-new-y-combinator-startup-150k/ http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/28/yuri-milner-sv-angel-offer-... http://www.crunchbase.com/financial-organization/start-fund http://www.crunchbase.com/financial-organization/start-fund

patio11 16y ago
There is a bit more to YC than just investing in a lot of companies. If that were all the secret sauce you needed, the VC industry would probably rack up impressive average return numbers like cough 0%. (It has not been a kind ten years to the industry, to put it mildly.)
- dutchrapley 16y ago
  "There is a bit more to YC than just investing in a lot of companies." You're exactly right, investing isn't going to make those companies succeed as you said, doesn't increase your chance of getting a return at all. There's a ton of dynamics at work. What we do know is that the YC team has a process that works. I'm not going to say they have a "formula," since that would imply that they take the same approach with every class and company. I imagine it's something they work to improve each time and adapt uniquely with each situation. The recent bulk investment in YC companies rides on the YC team's decision making process, based on a good track record. Granted, you're likely to see a better return with investment in 40 YC companies over 40 that have been randomly picked.

jonnathanson 16y ago

I would almost rather turn down $41M in the first round. I just don't need that much money so early on, and quite frankly, I think it would corrupt me. I'd be much more prone to making expensive, wild, ultimately bad choices. I'd be more liklely to overhire and overspend. I'd be more likely to get reckless. I'd probably, even if not consciously, scale up my company more quickly than I'd scale up my business. And I'd probably have an army of financial overlords demanding that I do so. That's just me, obviously, and I can't generalize to everyone out there. But I have a pretty good feeling that plenty of others would fall into the same traps. $41M is way too much for an early-stage startup for most people -- unless we're talking about a category with extremely high capital barriers to entry, like biotech or energy. $41M to scale up an existing and growing business? Definitely. $41M to start up a business? No, thanks.

jjudge 16y ago

Love this quote: "I think, at the end of the year, if you picked your team right, you'd have a pretty good shot at a profitable business. And if it fails? Well, good news, you can do it all over again. 40 times. And still have $5 million left" As someone who has bootstrapped a company to profitability, you're definitely right about people the most important ingredient. I think Color definitely took a lot of money, but the goal is to get the app installed on every phone possible - and that will take a lot of advertising money.

thrill 16y ago

I'm at the beginning of a (non software) project that $40 MM would likely return 25X (will need about 3x that before it's done).