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Well ~/snap is pretty terrible but I am almost as annoyed with something like ~/.tmux.conf and no support for the XDG Base Dirs Spec or setting the config path.

Well ~/snap is pretty terrible but I am almost as annoyed with something like ~/.tmux.conf and no support for the XDG Base Dirs Spec or setting the config path. With tmux it seems like this is finally possible with version 3.1 or by compiling it yourself but I remember being annoyed about this years ago. I dislike a home directory cluttered with dotfiles just as much as that snap folder choice because when do we actually ever not list the hidden files?

Avamander 6y ago
There are way more offenders here. But snap is the most egregious one because it's not hidden. Name and shame: * docker (~/.docker) * Arduino IDE (~/.arduino15) * GNURadio (~/.gnuradio) * IPython (~/.ipython) * FreeCAD (~/.FreeCAD) * HPlip (~/.hplip) * IntelliJ and others (e.g. ~/RubyMine[year]) * Cargo (~/.cargo) * Audacity (~/.audacity-data) * PGAdmin (~/.pgadmin) * ELinks (~/.elinks) * NPM (~/.npm) * sqlmap (~/.sqlmap) * ZAP (~/.ZAP) * GNUPG (~/.gnupg) * crashlytics (~/.crashlytics) * Android Studio (~/.android) And so so so many others just crap all over home when they could just crap in .config if it's config and in .cache if it's cache. Lazy devs.
- ddevault 6y ago
  SSH is the most annoying because I need it installed on literally everything.
  - sergeykish 6y ago
    It is quite easy to patch if all you want is to move files away from $HOME. http://sergeykish.com/openssh-config-in-xdg-directory http://sergeykish.com/openssh-config-in-xdg-directory And it is easy to make own repo. There are quite a lot of unofficial repositories https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/unofficial_user_repositories https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/unofficial_user_reposit...
- boring_twenties 6y ago
  Another stupid thing is stuff like ~/.config/<stupidprogram>/Cache. The cache is not a config, assholes. What do you think ~/.cache is for?!
- sergeykish 6y ago
  Quite a lot (npm, cargo, docker, ipython, elinks, gnupg, freecad, ...) already support XDG or may be configured with environment variables [0]: export ELINKS_CONFDIR="$XDG_CONFIG_HOME"/elinks [0] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/XDG_Base_Directory https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/XDG_Base_Directory
  - Avamander 6y ago
    It should be the default that my home folder isn't cluttered. I have tens and tens of pieces of software, it's very impractical to keep track what does what and if I have to get them to behave somehow. That export list required got me weary, plus look at how many in that list are hardcoded :/, the situation is rather bad.
    - sergeykish 6y ago
      You can patch it all. If world does not match your view it may be you who is outlier. I quite like current convention - hidden files in $HOME belong to applications. There is value in $XDG_CACHE_HOME - it can be safely removed (like /var/cache). You force your view on open source community, that is rather bad.
      - Avamander 6y ago
        > You can patch it all. As I said, impractical, not a solution. > If world does not match your view it may be you who is outlier. Looking at the amount of software that does follow the base directory specification, actually you're the outlier insisting on obsolete conventions. You and a bunch of other developers insist on those things, in reality that is the actually harmful behaviour for open-source. Interestingly but yet non-surprisingly, that insistence very often goes in hand with the stubborness to stay on obsolete mailing lists, ugly user interfaces, insecurity by-default, git-email, buggy issue trackers, 80-column commit messages, obsolete security standards and practices and so much more. > I quite like current convention - hidden files in $HOME belong to applications. The future is now, home folders aren't to be filled with trash. Move on or stay behind, seriously.

Avamander 6y ago

There are way more offenders here. But snap is the most egregious one because it's not hidden. Name and shame: * docker (~/.docker) * Arduino IDE (~/.arduino15) * GNURadio (~/.gnuradio) * IPython (~/.ipython) * FreeCAD (~/.FreeCAD) * HPlip (~/.hplip) * IntelliJ and others (e.g. ~/RubyMine[year]) * Cargo (~/.cargo) * Audacity (~/.audacity-data) * PGAdmin (~/.pgadmin) * ELinks (~/.elinks) * NPM (~/.npm) * sqlmap (~/.sqlmap) * ZAP (~/.ZAP) * GNUPG (~/.gnupg) * crashlytics (~/.crashlytics) * Android Studio (~/.android) And so so so many others just crap all over home when they could just crap in .config if it's config and in .cache if it's cache. Lazy devs.

ddevault 6y ago
SSH is the most annoying because I need it installed on literally everything.
- sergeykish 6y ago
  It is quite easy to patch if all you want is to move files away from $HOME. http://sergeykish.com/openssh-config-in-xdg-directory http://sergeykish.com/openssh-config-in-xdg-directory And it is easy to make own repo. There are quite a lot of unofficial repositories https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/unofficial_user_repositories https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/unofficial_user_reposit...
boring_twenties 6y ago
Another stupid thing is stuff like ~/.config/<stupidprogram>/Cache. The cache is not a config, assholes. What do you think ~/.cache is for?!
sergeykish 6y ago
Quite a lot (npm, cargo, docker, ipython, elinks, gnupg, freecad, ...) already support XDG or may be configured with environment variables [0]: export ELINKS_CONFDIR="$XDG_CONFIG_HOME"/elinks [0] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/XDG_Base_Directory https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/XDG_Base_Directory
- Avamander 6y ago
  It should be the default that my home folder isn't cluttered. I have tens and tens of pieces of software, it's very impractical to keep track what does what and if I have to get them to behave somehow. That export list required got me weary, plus look at how many in that list are hardcoded :/, the situation is rather bad.
  - sergeykish 6y ago
    You can patch it all. If world does not match your view it may be you who is outlier. I quite like current convention - hidden files in $HOME belong to applications. There is value in $XDG_CACHE_HOME - it can be safely removed (like /var/cache). You force your view on open source community, that is rather bad.
    - Avamander 6y ago
      > You can patch it all. As I said, impractical, not a solution. > If world does not match your view it may be you who is outlier. Looking at the amount of software that does follow the base directory specification, actually you're the outlier insisting on obsolete conventions. You and a bunch of other developers insist on those things, in reality that is the actually harmful behaviour for open-source. Interestingly but yet non-surprisingly, that insistence very often goes in hand with the stubborness to stay on obsolete mailing lists, ugly user interfaces, insecurity by-default, git-email, buggy issue trackers, 80-column commit messages, obsolete security standards and practices and so much more. > I quite like current convention - hidden files in $HOME belong to applications. The future is now, home folders aren't to be filled with trash. Move on or stay behind, seriously.