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TOR Made for USG Open Source Spying Says Maker

43 points by dcerezo 16y ago

bryanlarsen 16y ago
The title might be misleading here: tl;dr: TOR was made by spies to use to transmit information securely. When I read the title, it implied to me that it was designed by spies as a trojan to leak information back to them. That would have made a much more sensational story, which is why I jumped to that conclusion, I suppose.
JoachimSchipper 16y ago
Nothing to see here, move along. Summary: tor was written to help e.g. informants securely get information back to the US government; but an anonymity network that only carries spies' information back to the US government is not terribly useful, so they opened it up. Yes, tor was made for spying, but not (necessarily) for spying on tor users.
- ABFrep 16y ago
  Preposterous. No one buys it, and you shouldn't be selling it.
  - JoachimSchipper 16y ago
    Why not post your reasons for disagreeing with me? You may convince someone, or at least have a fruitful discussion.
    - garagebander 16y ago
      Why respond to the troll? There's certainly no point to that! "Preposterous" sums it up nicely. If you don't think it's preposterous, then you would not be in agreement. What else needs to be said? You either believe the hogwash or you don't. No need to get into facts, those are obvious.
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- hollerith 16y ago
  >tor was written to help e.g. informants securely get information back to the US government -- and so that the U.S. military could use the internet to research, e.g., bullets made of kryptonite-zirconium alloy without outsiders being able to tell that they are researching kryptonite-zirconium alloys -- which Reed refers to as "open source intelligence gathering" in the OP.
jdp23 16y ago
As they say, "anonymity loves company"
kgo 16y ago
This open source: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Open_source_intelligence https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Open_source_i... Not this open source: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Open_source https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Open_source
kronusaturn 16y ago
Ironically, WikiLeaks got its start spying on a Tor exit node.

43 points by dcerezo 16y ago

The title might be misleading here: tl;dr: TOR was made by spies to use to transmit information securely. When I read the title, it implied to me that it was designed by spies as a trojan to leak information back to them. That would have made a much more sensational story, which is why I jumped to that conclusion, I suppose.

JoachimSchipper 16y ago

Nothing to see here, move along. Summary: tor was written to help e.g. informants securely get information back to the US government; but an anonymity network that only carries spies' information back to the US government is not terribly useful, so they opened it up. Yes, tor was made for spying, but not (necessarily) for spying on tor users.

ABFrep 16y ago
Preposterous. No one buys it, and you shouldn't be selling it.
- JoachimSchipper 16y ago
  Why not post your reasons for disagreeing with me? You may convince someone, or at least have a fruitful discussion.
  - garagebander 16y ago
    Why respond to the troll? There's certainly no point to that! "Preposterous" sums it up nicely. If you don't think it's preposterous, then you would not be in agreement. What else needs to be said? You either believe the hogwash or you don't. No need to get into facts, those are obvious.
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hollerith 16y ago
>tor was written to help e.g. informants securely get information back to the US government -- and so that the U.S. military could use the internet to research, e.g., bullets made of kryptonite-zirconium alloy without outsiders being able to tell that they are researching kryptonite-zirconium alloys -- which Reed refers to as "open source intelligence gathering" in the OP.

jdp23 16y ago

As they say, "anonymity loves company"

kgo 16y ago

This open source: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Open_source_intelligence https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Open_source_i... Not this open source: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Open_source https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Open_source

kronusaturn 16y ago

Ironically, WikiLeaks got its start spying on a Tor exit node.