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Can someone explain why this matters? I still don’t get it after reading the blog post or fh973’s comment.

gtirloni 6y ago
"Google launches the Open Usage Commons, a new organization for managing open-source trademarks" https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/08/google-launches-the-open-usage-commons-a-new-organization-for-managing-open-source-trademarks/ https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/08/google-launches-the-open-u... And their FAQ: https://openusage.org/faq/#what-is-the-open-usage-commons https://openusage.org/faq/#what-is-the-open-usage-commons
- Google234 6y ago
  It doesn’t seem like this is a huge deal then, unless there’s something happening away from the public view... IBM would have just preferred that another organization had been used.
  - verst 6y ago
    CNCF is where most people and companies doing anything with Kubernetes (who don't work at Google) would expect Istio to reside.
- BossingAround 6y ago
  > "Google launches the Open Usage Commons, a new organization for managing open-source trademarks" We know that. The confusing part is figuring out what does "managing open-source trademarks" have to do with other companies and developers...
josefx 6y ago
As far as I understand: IBM collaborated with Google on Istio. Google just handed the control over the Istio trademark to its Open Usage Commons group without notifying the Istio community. IBM is understandably unhappy with that.
- Lutzb 6y ago
  Based on the blog post its even worse. IBM and Google agreed to hand over the Istio trademark and project to the CNCF when Istio reached a certain maturity. Now it seems that Google unilaterally decided to not honor the agreement and keep the project and trademark by handing it over to their own organisation. disclaimer: work for IBM, but not on istio.
  - 9nGQluzmnq3M 6y ago
    There appears to be no record of such an "agreement" other than IBM's claim. If there was, IBM would probably be doing more than writing snippy blog posts.
    - koffiezet 6y ago
      Well, according the CNCF statement mentioned by techcrunch [1], Istio has been submitted in the past when it was very very young [2] - that at least shows intent? [1] https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/08/google-launches-the-open-usage-commons-a-new-organization-for-managing-open-source-trademarks/ https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/08/google-launches-the-open-u... [2] https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/70 https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/70

"Google launches the Open Usage Commons, a new organization for managing open-source trademarks" https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/08/google-launches-the-open-usage-commons-a-new-organization-for-managing-open-source-trademarks/ https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/08/google-launches-the-open-u... And their FAQ: https://openusage.org/faq/#what-is-the-open-usage-commons https://openusage.org/faq/#what-is-the-open-usage-commons

Google234 6y ago
It doesn’t seem like this is a huge deal then, unless there’s something happening away from the public view... IBM would have just preferred that another organization had been used.
- verst 6y ago
  CNCF is where most people and companies doing anything with Kubernetes (who don't work at Google) would expect Istio to reside.
BossingAround 6y ago
> "Google launches the Open Usage Commons, a new organization for managing open-source trademarks" We know that. The confusing part is figuring out what does "managing open-source trademarks" have to do with other companies and developers...

josefx 6y ago

As far as I understand: IBM collaborated with Google on Istio. Google just handed the control over the Istio trademark to its Open Usage Commons group without notifying the Istio community. IBM is understandably unhappy with that.

Lutzb 6y ago
Based on the blog post its even worse. IBM and Google agreed to hand over the Istio trademark and project to the CNCF when Istio reached a certain maturity. Now it seems that Google unilaterally decided to not honor the agreement and keep the project and trademark by handing it over to their own organisation. disclaimer: work for IBM, but not on istio.
- 9nGQluzmnq3M 6y ago
  There appears to be no record of such an "agreement" other than IBM's claim. If there was, IBM would probably be doing more than writing snippy blog posts.
  - koffiezet 6y ago
    Well, according the CNCF statement mentioned by techcrunch [1], Istio has been submitted in the past when it was very very young [2] - that at least shows intent? [1] https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/08/google-launches-the-open-usage-commons-a-new-organization-for-managing-open-source-trademarks/ https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/08/google-launches-the-open-u... [2] https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/70 https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/70