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ICE hasn't really "change their mind." When they relaxed rules in March it was never going to be an indefinite change. The new rules are much more lenient than

ICE hasn't really "change their mind." When they relaxed rules in March it was never going to be an indefinite change. The new rules are much more lenient than they could have been.

UncleMeat 6y ago
"We could have been even more cruel" isn't a compelling defense. There is more covid spread in the US today than in March when they created the exemption. If the policy made sense in March, it makes sense today.
- steviedotboston 6y ago
  I would call the government enforcing the basic requirements of a visa "cruel". Put another way, currently the government is not issuing any non-immigrant visas EXCEPT for student visas. Those students just have to comply with rule that they can't take an entirely online course of study, which has always been the case. The government requires students take at least some in person classes is to enforce the security requirements of the visa.
  - UncleMeat 6y ago
    The basic requirements for the visa are ridiculous in the time of covid. That's why the exception was originally created and why it should continue to exist. The fact that a regulation exists does not make it good by definition. These people are already here in the US. This change helps nobody and hurts hundreds of thousands. It is cruel.
    - steviedotboston 6y ago
      If you want to change the basic requirements of the visa that would require legislation. Most schools will end up offering some in person classes for international students. That solves the problem and isn't a major risk for spreading the virus. Other schools might not offer that, and their international students will have the option of taking classes online from their home country or not taking classes this semester. A tough decision, but at the end of the day not many students will be in this situation. This isn't going to be some kind of disaster, people have really overreacted to this.
      - UncleMeat 6y ago
        > If you want to change the basic requirements of the visa that would require legislation. Clearly not, since ICE was able to adjust the requirements in March for the spring semester. The national emergency is still ongoing. What was stopping them from continuing the exception?

ICE hasn't really "change their mind." When they relaxed rules in March it was never going to be an indefinite change. The new rules are much more lenient than they could have been.

UncleMeat 6y ago

"We could have been even more cruel" isn't a compelling defense. There is more covid spread in the US today than in March when they created the exemption. If the policy made sense in March, it makes sense today.

steviedotboston 6y ago
I would call the government enforcing the basic requirements of a visa "cruel". Put another way, currently the government is not issuing any non-immigrant visas EXCEPT for student visas. Those students just have to comply with rule that they can't take an entirely online course of study, which has always been the case. The government requires students take at least some in person classes is to enforce the security requirements of the visa.
- UncleMeat 6y ago
  The basic requirements for the visa are ridiculous in the time of covid. That's why the exception was originally created and why it should continue to exist. The fact that a regulation exists does not make it good by definition. These people are already here in the US. This change helps nobody and hurts hundreds of thousands. It is cruel.
  - steviedotboston 6y ago
    If you want to change the basic requirements of the visa that would require legislation. Most schools will end up offering some in person classes for international students. That solves the problem and isn't a major risk for spreading the virus. Other schools might not offer that, and their international students will have the option of taking classes online from their home country or not taking classes this semester. A tough decision, but at the end of the day not many students will be in this situation. This isn't going to be some kind of disaster, people have really overreacted to this.
    - UncleMeat 6y ago
      > If you want to change the basic requirements of the visa that would require legislation. Clearly not, since ICE was able to adjust the requirements in March for the spring semester. The national emergency is still ongoing. What was stopping them from continuing the exception?