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Just seems like an unintended consequences confusing situation. I think a pretty rational policy would to _never_ have an apt package install a snap package. M

by jwlake 6y ago

Just seems like an unintended consequences confusing situation. I think a pretty rational policy would to _never_ have an apt package install a snap package. Moving to snap is a breaking change, effectively, so you have to bite the bullet at some point. Mixing your distribution systems with references to each other seems like a recipe for confusion and anger. And it looks like they got the expected outcome.

rlpb 6y ago
I believe the reasoning is that Ubuntu users do not care about the technical mechanism used to ship the software that comes with Ubuntu. I mean: clearly some people do care, given that that this thread exists. I think you'll find that they aren't your typical Ubuntu user though. Users who do care are quite capable of adjusting their configuration, and Ubuntu doesn't get in the way of that (configure apt not to install snapd ever, and it won't). This is only an issue for users who want to push their political opinions on to other Ubuntu users.
berkes 6y ago
> seems like a recipe for confusion and anger. People where "suddenly Chrome is gone" will be angry too. Just imagine the outrage of a title like "The update to Catalina wiped all mac users' browsers with all their bookmarks and history. Forever". And those are the people that cannot easily solve it. The person being able to know what a "Transitional package" or the difference between snap and apt is, is also the person who knows how (to google for) to move the old ~/.config/chrome/ directory into the snap. This is also the person being enraged that Ubuntu offers a mechanism for all the people who cannot do that themselves. That sounds quite selfish to me.
yxhuvud 6y ago
Then people get stuck on old insecure versions of chromium. Or it simply disappears. Do you really think that doesn't create confusion and anger?
- berkes 6y ago
  > Or it simply disappears. Worse. Because when you then search the "software store", and install chromium, all your bookmarks, history, forms and other state is lost. At least the "apt package" migrates that for users.

by jwlake 6y ago

rlpb 6y ago

I believe the reasoning is that Ubuntu users do not care about the technical mechanism used to ship the software that comes with Ubuntu. I mean: clearly some people do care, given that that this thread exists. I think you'll find that they aren't your typical Ubuntu user though. Users who do care are quite capable of adjusting their configuration, and Ubuntu doesn't get in the way of that (configure apt not to install snapd ever, and it won't). This is only an issue for users who want to push their political opinions on to other Ubuntu users.

berkes 6y ago

> seems like a recipe for confusion and anger. People where "suddenly Chrome is gone" will be angry too. Just imagine the outrage of a title like "The update to Catalina wiped all mac users' browsers with all their bookmarks and history. Forever". And those are the people that cannot easily solve it. The person being able to know what a "Transitional package" or the difference between snap and apt is, is also the person who knows how (to google for) to move the old ~/.config/chrome/ directory into the snap. This is also the person being enraged that Ubuntu offers a mechanism for all the people who cannot do that themselves. That sounds quite selfish to me.

yxhuvud 6y ago

Then people get stuck on old insecure versions of chromium. Or it simply disappears. Do you really think that doesn't create confusion and anger?

berkes 6y ago
> Or it simply disappears. Worse. Because when you then search the "software store", and install chromium, all your bookmarks, history, forms and other state is lost. At least the "apt package" migrates that for users.