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> just use an alternative solution like flatpak Saying "just use an alternative" seems overly dismissive of the complications that entails. IIUC, the only opt

> just use an alternative solution like flatpak Saying "just use an alternative" seems overly dismissive of the complications that entails. IIUC, the only options for that are (a) abandon Ubuntu, or (b) actively circumvent Ubuntu's software distribution infrastructure, reminiscent of dealing with Windows 10 forced updates. IMHO this somewhat erodes Ubuntu's value proposition.

zentiggr 6y ago
I have a laptop that I'm planning on rebuilding from a failed NTFS/Win10 system to Linux something. Now I know it's not going to be Ubuntu or anything else derived from Canonical.
- Endeavourist 6y ago
  Why not EndeavourOS? It's based on Arch Linux, with minimal numbers of external packages; quite unlike Manjaro actually. You can just treat it as a standard Arch install, and even use the ISO to boot with wi-fi drivers and all and install Arch plainly, without the non-wifi and other regrets. EndeavourOS is pretty great; I personally use it as a live-ISO (XFCE environment) and just install Arch from within the live EndeavourOS booted iso. Just throwing it out there.
  - zentiggr 6y ago
    Hadn't heard the name but glad I did. I was going to look for a live CD distro with good NTFS read support for the old drive recovery. This sounds good.
- DoofusOfDeath 6y ago
  > Now I know it's not going to be Ubuntu or anything else derived from Canonical. Why avoid Ubuntu derivates like Mint or Pop!_OS, though? They're doing the heavy lifting of fighting Canonical on this issue. Maybe using one of those distros instead of vanilla Ubuntu actually strengthens the pressure that Canonical feels on this topic.
  - zentiggr 6y ago
    Fair point, but honestly I'm in the "don't have enough time to Gentoo this build" category. If I know I can avoid Snap crap by changing distros for now, that's what I have a timeslice for.
- lmm 6y ago
  I'd seriously recommend looking at FreeBSD instead. Everything Linux seems to be going down this we-know-better-than-you path.
entropicdrifter 6y ago
I agree that this erodes Ubuntu's value proposition. I run Manjaro with KDE, personally.
xet7 6y ago
AFAIK Ubuntu does not force reboot like Windows 10.
- DoofusOfDeath 6y ago
  I believe you're correct. I'm not arguing that Ubuntu is now as bad as Windows 10; just that it's a move in that direction.

zentiggr 6y ago

I have a laptop that I'm planning on rebuilding from a failed NTFS/Win10 system to Linux something. Now I know it's not going to be Ubuntu or anything else derived from Canonical.

Endeavourist 6y ago
Why not EndeavourOS? It's based on Arch Linux, with minimal numbers of external packages; quite unlike Manjaro actually. You can just treat it as a standard Arch install, and even use the ISO to boot with wi-fi drivers and all and install Arch plainly, without the non-wifi and other regrets. EndeavourOS is pretty great; I personally use it as a live-ISO (XFCE environment) and just install Arch from within the live EndeavourOS booted iso. Just throwing it out there.
- zentiggr 6y ago
  Hadn't heard the name but glad I did. I was going to look for a live CD distro with good NTFS read support for the old drive recovery. This sounds good.
DoofusOfDeath 6y ago
> Now I know it's not going to be Ubuntu or anything else derived from Canonical. Why avoid Ubuntu derivates like Mint or Pop!_OS, though? They're doing the heavy lifting of fighting Canonical on this issue. Maybe using one of those distros instead of vanilla Ubuntu actually strengthens the pressure that Canonical feels on this topic.
- zentiggr 6y ago
  Fair point, but honestly I'm in the "don't have enough time to Gentoo this build" category. If I know I can avoid Snap crap by changing distros for now, that's what I have a timeslice for.
lmm 6y ago
I'd seriously recommend looking at FreeBSD instead. Everything Linux seems to be going down this we-know-better-than-you path.

entropicdrifter 6y ago

I agree that this erodes Ubuntu's value proposition. I run Manjaro with KDE, personally.

xet7 6y ago

AFAIK Ubuntu does not force reboot like Windows 10.

DoofusOfDeath 6y ago
I believe you're correct. I'm not arguing that Ubuntu is now as bad as Windows 10; just that it's a move in that direction.