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> If self-regulation doesn't work out, a directive is passed. We can do better! Public education campaigns and support for alternatives for starters. The "they

> If self-regulation doesn't work out, a directive is passed. We can do better! Public education campaigns and support for alternatives for starters. The "they didn't fix the issues, so new laws will fix their issues" is myopic at the least, and potentially harmful if it doesn't fix the issues either.

vertex-four 6y ago
A significant part of the GDPR - and in fact the bit most software people complain about - is forcing the companies in question to educate the public on what their data is being used for.
- kodablah 6y ago
  That's not a reasonable approach to public awareness IMO. "Forcing" these private companies to do this and that is only going to result in it being done in the least meaningful way possible. It doesn't matter whether it's the DPD, the EU cookie law, or the GDPR. So much deja vu...
  - vertex-four 6y ago
    That's ok - if the company can't convince the user that it'd be good for them to opt in to all 200 "partners" they'd like to share data with, the user can click the big shiny "fuck off" button that's required to be there. It's not there, or not obvious? That's a GDPR violation.
grasshopperpurp 6y ago
What's myopic is expecting people to "do better" when they make more money (or even think they'll make more money) by doing worse.
- kodablah 6y ago
  Nobody expects that. It has become unfortunate that if you are not in favor for the GDPR as implemented, you must be against its principles and in favor of privacy-violating companies.
vkou 6y ago
Public education campaigns don't work when the people they are educating have no power in a problematic relationship. You can educate me about green energy all you want, but if all the power providers I can switch to are burning coal, you're just wasting your time and money. Passing laws is the opposite of myopic behaviour. To put it bluntly - theft is outlawed, not something we discourage solely through, uh, education campaigns.
p_l 6y ago
There was 20 years of that. 20 YEARS Actually more than that, but I'm just using one of the shorter timelines involved. So if the rather hands-off approach didn't work, campaigns didn't work, capitalism didn't work because it was always on the side of violating privacy? Well there comes the hammer.

vertex-four 6y ago

A significant part of the GDPR - and in fact the bit most software people complain about - is forcing the companies in question to educate the public on what their data is being used for.

kodablah 6y ago
That's not a reasonable approach to public awareness IMO. "Forcing" these private companies to do this and that is only going to result in it being done in the least meaningful way possible. It doesn't matter whether it's the DPD, the EU cookie law, or the GDPR. So much deja vu...
- vertex-four 6y ago
  That's ok - if the company can't convince the user that it'd be good for them to opt in to all 200 "partners" they'd like to share data with, the user can click the big shiny "fuck off" button that's required to be there. It's not there, or not obvious? That's a GDPR violation.

grasshopperpurp 6y ago

What's myopic is expecting people to "do better" when they make more money (or even think they'll make more money) by doing worse.

kodablah 6y ago
Nobody expects that. It has become unfortunate that if you are not in favor for the GDPR as implemented, you must be against its principles and in favor of privacy-violating companies.

vkou 6y ago

Public education campaigns don't work when the people they are educating have no power in a problematic relationship. You can educate me about green energy all you want, but if all the power providers I can switch to are burning coal, you're just wasting your time and money. Passing laws is the opposite of myopic behaviour. To put it bluntly - theft is outlawed, not something we discourage solely through, uh, education campaigns.

p_l 6y ago

There was 20 years of that. 20 YEARS Actually more than that, but I'm just using one of the shorter timelines involved. So if the rather hands-off approach didn't work, campaigns didn't work, capitalism didn't work because it was always on the side of violating privacy? Well there comes the hammer.