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I mean, I totally get your point, but these protocols/technologies solve specific problems quite well. In most cases is not an arbitrary decision. A different

I mean, I totally get your point, but these protocols/technologies solve specific problems quite well. In most cases is not an arbitrary decision. A different case would be rewriting your Angular app in Vue just because the latter is more shiny.

pjmlp 6y ago
The problem being how to sell new tech, books, consulting contracts....
gonzo41 6y ago
There's probably no better language on earth to build a data warehouse in than java yet i fully expect to see a BI book on Javascript OLAP technologies within my lifetime. You use what you grow up with.
- _bxg1 6y ago
  > There's probably no better language on earth to build a data warehouse in than java Slightly OT, but I'm curious why that is?
  - gonzo41 6y ago
    Because so many data warehouses has been built in it. Most significant problems have been solved traditional star schema/snowflake schema fact table oriented systems. And a change in language ins't going to open new doors that otherwise remain closed now.
    - hodgesrm 6y ago
      Not sure I agree. SIMD instructions, vectorized query, and low-level memory management are hard to implement in Java. Plus there's genuine uncertainty about the future of the language. I would not implement a new data warehouse in Java at this point.
      - pjmlp 6y ago
        Intel and Linaro have contributed SIMD support, although it might be harder than using something like C++. Not only is the language open source, while during Sun days it was only free beer, there are several contributors, and Microsoft has acquired jClarity, started contributing to OpenJDK, gives parity with .NET tooling on Azure, alongside Red-Hat supports Java on VSCode. Ah, even Java has had more talks at Build 2020 than F# or VB. The only uncertainty is from the anti-Java, Oracle hating crowd, for everyone else, companies using IBM, Red-Hat, Adobe, SAP,.... products, it is business as usual.
closeparen 6y ago
The category "RPC framework" solves a specific problem quite well, but it's doubtful that each incarnation is really a sufficient improvement on all those that came before it to justify re-learning and migrating.
tuesdayrain 6y ago
Angular vs Vue is not an arbitrary decision either, the developer experience is massively different.

pjmlp 6y ago

The problem being how to sell new tech, books, consulting contracts....

gonzo41 6y ago

There's probably no better language on earth to build a data warehouse in than java yet i fully expect to see a BI book on Javascript OLAP technologies within my lifetime. You use what you grow up with.

_bxg1 6y ago
> There's probably no better language on earth to build a data warehouse in than java Slightly OT, but I'm curious why that is?
- gonzo41 6y ago
  Because so many data warehouses has been built in it. Most significant problems have been solved traditional star schema/snowflake schema fact table oriented systems. And a change in language ins't going to open new doors that otherwise remain closed now.
  - hodgesrm 6y ago
    Not sure I agree. SIMD instructions, vectorized query, and low-level memory management are hard to implement in Java. Plus there's genuine uncertainty about the future of the language. I would not implement a new data warehouse in Java at this point.
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      Intel and Linaro have contributed SIMD support, although it might be harder than using something like C++. Not only is the language open source, while during Sun days it was only free beer, there are several contributors, and Microsoft has acquired jClarity, started contributing to OpenJDK, gives parity with .NET tooling on Azure, alongside Red-Hat supports Java on VSCode. Ah, even Java has had more talks at Build 2020 than F# or VB. The only uncertainty is from the anti-Java, Oracle hating crowd, for everyone else, companies using IBM, Red-Hat, Adobe, SAP,.... products, it is business as usual.

closeparen 6y ago

The category "RPC framework" solves a specific problem quite well, but it's doubtful that each incarnation is really a sufficient improvement on all those that came before it to justify re-learning and migrating.

tuesdayrain 6y ago

Angular vs Vue is not an arbitrary decision either, the developer experience is massively different.