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They would be great except the problem is once you're done with school, it can be incredibly hard to stay in the US. So we end up losing the people we help trai

They would be great except the problem is once you're done with school, it can be incredibly hard to stay in the US. So we end up losing the people we help train. Fixing it by reducing these students entirely is going in the wrong direction.

lgleason 6y ago
The ones that stay are also national security risks in some instances. At some point, and feel free to call me crazy for saying this, but wouldn't it make sense for US educational institutions to be primarily focused on educating US citizens... in the same way that a UK, French, South African, Chinese etc. university should be focused on educating their respective citizens first and foremost? It's one thing to let a very select group of foreign students in who are truly exceptional, but that is not what is happening today. Instead most are letting anybody in who is willing to pay the money. So it's really just another back door into the US labor market and companies wanting cheap labor love having a larger supply of that.
- chrchang523 6y ago
  I'd argue that the US actually has a national security interest in facilitating India's development, in a way that is obviously not true for China at this point.
- greenonions 6y ago
  >It's one thing to let a very select group of foreign students in who are truly exceptional, but that is not what is happening today. Do you have any evidence for this? The incredibly vast amount of research work done by immigrants on these visas probably outweighs any risk they pose as these educated people head back after graduating or try to stay. You're not crazy. You're a cogent individual deliberately believing something that is not true or guided by reality. This decision will not be beneficial for national security at all, and that wasn't even used as justification for it.

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They would be great except the problem is once you're done with school, it can be incredibly hard to stay in the US. So we end up losing the people we help trai

by mattwad 6y ago

lgleason 6y ago
The ones that stay are also national security risks in some instances. At some point, and feel free to call me crazy for saying this, but wouldn't it make sense for US educational institutions to be primarily focused on educating US citizens... in the same way that a UK, French, South African, Chinese etc. university should be focused on educating their respective citizens first and foremost? It's one thing to let a very select group of foreign students in who are truly exceptional, but that is not what is happening today. Instead most are letting anybody in who is willing to pay the money. So it's really just another back door into the US labor market and companies wanting cheap labor love having a larger supply of that.
- chrchang523 6y ago
  I'd argue that the US actually has a national security interest in facilitating India's development, in a way that is obviously not true for China at this point.
- greenonions 6y ago
  >It's one thing to let a very select group of foreign students in who are truly exceptional, but that is not what is happening today. Do you have any evidence for this? The incredibly vast amount of research work done by immigrants on these visas probably outweighs any risk they pose as these educated people head back after graduating or try to stay. You're not crazy. You're a cogent individual deliberately believing something that is not true or guided by reality. This decision will not be beneficial for national security at all, and that wasn't even used as justification for it.