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Makes a lot of sense to sell now since Rancher doesn't offer a lot of value anymore compared to vanilla Kubernetes and a few Helm charts.
by techntoke 6y ago
Makes a lot of sense to sell now since Rancher doesn't offer a lot of value anymore compared to vanilla Kubernetes and a few Helm charts.
- mstipetic 6y agoRancher only sells support, which includes all things related to Kubernetes, not only their products
- leonardteo 6y agoHow are you using vanilla Kubernetes? I've tried provisioning vanilla K8s on bare metal clusters and I found it to be pure PITA, even with Kubespray. Rancher's RKE is the first installer I've come across that "just works". Run rke up against a cluster.yml and within minutes you have a HA cluster with ingress ready to rock. K3S is also looking quite good. In contrast I've spent days staring down the abyss of vanilla K8s. If you have good alternatives for launching K8S on bare metal/on-prem clusters, would be game to try.
- throwawaybbqed 6y agoI stood up a vanilla baremetal cluster (on the latest Ubuntu) a few days back using Kubeadm ... it was fairly trivial to do. I used the NGINX Ingress and it was also generally straightforward (maybe took an hour or two to understand what was going on). Curious what we did different? I saw Rancher's offering afterwards and it does look really slick .. the UI is bloody awesome. Wish I could get it for regular kubernetes.
- techntoke 6y agoKubeadm is the "official" and certified tool, not Kubespray. It is easily scripted as well. If you're used to graphical installers though and don't like automation then by all means continue to use Rancher.
- caiobegotti 6y agoOver half a billion of USD looks like real value to me, I wish I could make that much with vanilla Kubernetes and Helm charts. Let's be respectful for Rancher's fantastic exit.
- techntoke 6y agoThey recently when through a Series D round for $75 million, but yet you believe they have half a billion in the bank? They were on their last leg begging for seed money to keep them afloat.
- caiobegotti 6y agoThat's a lower estimate of the acquisition based on the info about this deal linked elsewhere in the thread and on the net.
- techntoke 6y agoDid they publicly announce the finances? They wouldn't have sold to SUSE unless their investors were getting desperate for some return.
- mugsie 6y agoThe real value is the Install / Life Cycle orchestration - vanilla K8S has really marked that firmly as "not their problem" - which is the correct thing for them to do.
- tstyle 6y agoWhat does life cycle orchestration mean?
- mugsie 6y agoReplacing nodes, helping repairing broken things, upgrading the control plane, upgrading etcd etc.
- AlphaSite 6y agoCluster API should hopefully obsolete that problem, sooner rather than later.
- mugsie 6y agoHopefully, but Cluster API relies on something like Rancher (or AKS/EkS/GKE) to do the deployment underneath it - it still kind of outsources the life cycle.
- techntoke 6y agoYou clearly haven't used or heard of kubeadm, which is a certified installer and lifecycle tool from CNCF.