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Being sick of the rioters and violence doesn't make you an expert in what a solution to rioting and violence is. Don't blindly swallow what the CCP peddles as

by op03 6y ago

Being sick of the rioters and violence doesn't make you an expert in what a solution to rioting and violence is. Don't blindly swallow what the CCP peddles as a solution. It is an ancient unimaginative solution whose costs are a breakdown in trust between the people who don't bend easily and the govt. After you get rid of all those people what you are left with is a herd of obedient cattle. And that herd is left weaker not stronger, a ripe target for domination from external threats.

FooBarWidget 6y ago
I did not propose any specific solution. I am merely calling out the violence, hate and hypocrisy. I also did not sign the petition. I am not a Hong Kong citizen. The Hong Kong citizen themselves signed the petition. If you disagree with that, you should tell them. Will you condemn the violence?
- op03 6y ago
  Read about the British and Gandhi. Specifically the Rowlatt Act. Violence will escalate given the choices China has made. They were the sames choice the British made once upon a time. Hong Kong will either get all its Gandhi's killed off and be subjugated. Or it will produce movements of the kind that happened in India that made the British leave.
Silmarillion88 6y ago
The thing is, if a movement's participants cannot offer clear expression of reasonable demand, how does the society justify or condone it, especially given the rampage it caused against the civil rights of OTHER civilians? So far the protesters' main demand has been "five demands, not one less", and they are: - Full withdrawal of the extradition bill from the legislative process: already done. - Retraction of the characterisation of the 12 June 2019 protests as "riots": such wording has no legal implication at all. There is no point in retracting a said word for that matter. - Release and exoneration of arrested protesters: how is that fair to the victims who have been personally harmed, disabled, abused, and whose properties have been damaged? - Establishment of an independent commission of inquiry into police behaviour: How is it fair to investigate only police behavior but not rioter behavior, esp foreign funding and assistance? - Universal suffrage for the Legislative Council and the chief executive elections: the protesters demand universal voting with no strings attached, ignoring the stakes of all other stakeholders than themselves. If we analyze these demands it becomes clear that at least one of them is clearly impossible in any society based on rule of law. Other demands may either be self-contradictory or impossible without proper political bargaining process.

by op03 6y ago

FooBarWidget 6y ago

I did not propose any specific solution. I am merely calling out the violence, hate and hypocrisy. I also did not sign the petition. I am not a Hong Kong citizen. The Hong Kong citizen themselves signed the petition. If you disagree with that, you should tell them. Will you condemn the violence?

op03 6y ago
Read about the British and Gandhi. Specifically the Rowlatt Act. Violence will escalate given the choices China has made. They were the sames choice the British made once upon a time. Hong Kong will either get all its Gandhi's killed off and be subjugated. Or it will produce movements of the kind that happened in India that made the British leave.

Silmarillion88 6y ago

The thing is, if a movement's participants cannot offer clear expression of reasonable demand, how does the society justify or condone it, especially given the rampage it caused against the civil rights of OTHER civilians? So far the protesters' main demand has been "five demands, not one less", and they are: - Full withdrawal of the extradition bill from the legislative process: already done. - Retraction of the characterisation of the 12 June 2019 protests as "riots": such wording has no legal implication at all. There is no point in retracting a said word for that matter. - Release and exoneration of arrested protesters: how is that fair to the victims who have been personally harmed, disabled, abused, and whose properties have been damaged? - Establishment of an independent commission of inquiry into police behaviour: How is it fair to investigate only police behavior but not rioter behavior, esp foreign funding and assistance? - Universal suffrage for the Legislative Council and the chief executive elections: the protesters demand universal voting with no strings attached, ignoring the stakes of all other stakeholders than themselves. If we analyze these demands it becomes clear that at least one of them is clearly impossible in any society based on rule of law. Other demands may either be self-contradictory or impossible without proper political bargaining process.