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CDC Influenza and pneumonia deaths by influenza season and age: United States, 2008–2015: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/health_policy/influenza-and-pneumonia-de

CDC Influenza and pneumonia deaths by influenza season and age: United States, 2008–2015: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/health_policy/influenza-and-pneumonia-deaths-2008-2015.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/health_policy/influenza-and-pn... (these are not estimates, see the footnote) 2015-2016 Flu: 7,961 Pneumonia: 131,858 All: 1,769,940 Excess deaths are all that really matters. Why not talk about those instead?

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throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
Thanks for that. I don't understand the discrepancy between the article and the link you posted, however from your cite of 7,961 flu deaths (in the US) agrees with what the sciam article said. > Excess deaths are all that really matters. Why not talk about those instead? Good point, but I don't have them. What my and your posts seem to show is that flu is a heck of a lot less mortal than this covid. Which is the point.
- jakeogh 6y ago
  NP. Regarding your last point, my understanding is the pneumonia deaths are on the same pdf because they are end game deaths from getting sick. Likely with one of the flu's. The COVID-19 death stats on the other hand, are inflated: http://v6y.net/1541e03e6cfd1442590bc7b5476f88c30a29a0d881bdb943bb48c3cfb6cdf527.mp4 http://v6y.net/1541e03e6cfd1442590bc7b5476f88c30a29a0d881bdb... What really matters is excess deaths. https://aspe.hhs.gov/cdc-%E2%80%94-influenza-deaths-request-correction-rfc https://aspe.hhs.gov/cdc-%E2%80%94-influenza-deaths-request-... (Table 1, down to 71) https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm We maxed out at 140% between 4/11 and 4/18/2020. One could try correlating that with the lockdowns.
  - throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
    While I don't necessarily agree with this post (see below, plus I haven't had time to read your links properly), I don't see why it's downvoted - if there's a reason the downvoter should say why. Anyway, I don't buy your reason for pneu & flu being on the same page, flu may be a subtype of pneumonia but there are many causes of pneumonia, and I don't expect flus to blow up into pneu. Then again, I'm just guessing. Your second link is not official government statement - indeed it was so weird I didn't understand what I was reading at first - it's a letter expressing a person's opinion, not a government position. I don't know it's value. The table's interesting, but the percentage of expected deaths don't make sense (read: I don't understand them). It may be down to time lag on reporting, but it's a big lag. Anyway, well done for providing figures!

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throwaway_pdp09 6y ago

Thanks for that. I don't understand the discrepancy between the article and the link you posted, however from your cite of 7,961 flu deaths (in the US) agrees with what the sciam article said. > Excess deaths are all that really matters. Why not talk about those instead? Good point, but I don't have them. What my and your posts seem to show is that flu is a heck of a lot less mortal than this covid. Which is the point.

jakeogh 6y ago
NP. Regarding your last point, my understanding is the pneumonia deaths are on the same pdf because they are end game deaths from getting sick. Likely with one of the flu's. The COVID-19 death stats on the other hand, are inflated: http://v6y.net/1541e03e6cfd1442590bc7b5476f88c30a29a0d881bdb943bb48c3cfb6cdf527.mp4 http://v6y.net/1541e03e6cfd1442590bc7b5476f88c30a29a0d881bdb... What really matters is excess deaths. https://aspe.hhs.gov/cdc-%E2%80%94-influenza-deaths-request-correction-rfc https://aspe.hhs.gov/cdc-%E2%80%94-influenza-deaths-request-... (Table 1, down to 71) https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm We maxed out at 140% between 4/11 and 4/18/2020. One could try correlating that with the lockdowns.
- throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
  While I don't necessarily agree with this post (see below, plus I haven't had time to read your links properly), I don't see why it's downvoted - if there's a reason the downvoter should say why. Anyway, I don't buy your reason for pneu & flu being on the same page, flu may be a subtype of pneumonia but there are many causes of pneumonia, and I don't expect flus to blow up into pneu. Then again, I'm just guessing. Your second link is not official government statement - indeed it was so weird I didn't understand what I was reading at first - it's a letter expressing a person's opinion, not a government position. I don't know it's value. The table's interesting, but the percentage of expected deaths don't make sense (read: I don't understand them). It may be down to time lag on reporting, but it's a big lag. Anyway, well done for providing figures!