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> to promulgate the narrative that SARS-CoV-2 is unusually dangerous What is wrong with you? There is no evidence in your post to justify anything you say, you

> to promulgate the narrative that SARS-CoV-2 is unusually dangerous What is wrong with you? There is no evidence in your post to justify anything you say, you are either wishing things away or actively spreading FUD. Flu: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/ https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-... "The 25,000 to 69,000 numbers that Trump cited [as influenza deaths] do not represent counted flu deaths per year; they are estimates [...] In the last six flu seasons, the CDC’s reported number of actual confirmed flu deaths—that is, counting flu deaths the way we are currently counting deaths from the coronavirus—has ranged from 3,448 to 15,620, which far lower than the numbers commonly repeated by public officials and even public health experts." > SARS-2 is a great spreader and a very poor killer And actual mortality figures https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality > with outcomes overwhelmingly positive Why the hell are you posting this? Your disinformation may contribute to people dying, are you ok with that? I'm all for contrarian views if they are backed up with evidence - so produce some.

jakeogh 6y ago
CDC Influenza and pneumonia deaths by influenza season and age: United States, 2008–2015: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/health_policy/influenza-and-pneumonia-deaths-2008-2015.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/health_policy/influenza-and-pn... (these are not estimates, see the footnote) 2015-2016 Flu: 7,961 Pneumonia: 131,858 All: 1,769,940 Excess deaths are all that really matters. Why not talk about those instead?
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- throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
  Thanks for that. I don't understand the discrepancy between the article and the link you posted, however from your cite of 7,961 flu deaths (in the US) agrees with what the sciam article said. > Excess deaths are all that really matters. Why not talk about those instead? Good point, but I don't have them. What my and your posts seem to show is that flu is a heck of a lot less mortal than this covid. Which is the point.
  - jakeogh 6y ago
    NP. Regarding your last point, my understanding is the pneumonia deaths are on the same pdf because they are end game deaths from getting sick. Likely with one of the flu's. The COVID-19 death stats on the other hand, are inflated: http://v6y.net/1541e03e6cfd1442590bc7b5476f88c30a29a0d881bdb943bb48c3cfb6cdf527.mp4 http://v6y.net/1541e03e6cfd1442590bc7b5476f88c30a29a0d881bdb... What really matters is excess deaths. https://aspe.hhs.gov/cdc-%E2%80%94-influenza-deaths-request-correction-rfc https://aspe.hhs.gov/cdc-%E2%80%94-influenza-deaths-request-... (Table 1, down to 71) https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm We maxed out at 140% between 4/11 and 4/18/2020. One could try correlating that with the lockdowns.
    - throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
      While I don't necessarily agree with this post (see below, plus I haven't had time to read your links properly), I don't see why it's downvoted - if there's a reason the downvoter should say why. Anyway, I don't buy your reason for pneu & flu being on the same page, flu may be a subtype of pneumonia but there are many causes of pneumonia, and I don't expect flus to blow up into pneu. Then again, I'm just guessing. Your second link is not official government statement - indeed it was so weird I didn't understand what I was reading at first - it's a letter expressing a person's opinion, not a government position. I don't know it's value. The table's interesting, but the percentage of expected deaths don't make sense (read: I don't understand them). It may be down to time lag on reporting, but it's a big lag. Anyway, well done for providing figures!

jakeogh 6y ago

CDC Influenza and pneumonia deaths by influenza season and age: United States, 2008–2015: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/health_policy/influenza-and-pneumonia-deaths-2008-2015.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/health_policy/influenza-and-pn... (these are not estimates, see the footnote) 2015-2016 Flu: 7,961 Pneumonia: 131,858 All: 1,769,940 Excess deaths are all that really matters. Why not talk about those instead?

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throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
Thanks for that. I don't understand the discrepancy between the article and the link you posted, however from your cite of 7,961 flu deaths (in the US) agrees with what the sciam article said. > Excess deaths are all that really matters. Why not talk about those instead? Good point, but I don't have them. What my and your posts seem to show is that flu is a heck of a lot less mortal than this covid. Which is the point.
- jakeogh 6y ago
  NP. Regarding your last point, my understanding is the pneumonia deaths are on the same pdf because they are end game deaths from getting sick. Likely with one of the flu's. The COVID-19 death stats on the other hand, are inflated: http://v6y.net/1541e03e6cfd1442590bc7b5476f88c30a29a0d881bdb943bb48c3cfb6cdf527.mp4 http://v6y.net/1541e03e6cfd1442590bc7b5476f88c30a29a0d881bdb... What really matters is excess deaths. https://aspe.hhs.gov/cdc-%E2%80%94-influenza-deaths-request-correction-rfc https://aspe.hhs.gov/cdc-%E2%80%94-influenza-deaths-request-... (Table 1, down to 71) https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm We maxed out at 140% between 4/11 and 4/18/2020. One could try correlating that with the lockdowns.
  - throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
    While I don't necessarily agree with this post (see below, plus I haven't had time to read your links properly), I don't see why it's downvoted - if there's a reason the downvoter should say why. Anyway, I don't buy your reason for pneu & flu being on the same page, flu may be a subtype of pneumonia but there are many causes of pneumonia, and I don't expect flus to blow up into pneu. Then again, I'm just guessing. Your second link is not official government statement - indeed it was so weird I didn't understand what I was reading at first - it's a letter expressing a person's opinion, not a government position. I don't know it's value. The table's interesting, but the percentage of expected deaths don't make sense (read: I don't understand them). It may be down to time lag on reporting, but it's a big lag. Anyway, well done for providing figures!