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Like all other multinationals, thirsty enough for access to the Chinese market it’s willing to look the other way Edit: ya know, this is probably an excellent

Like all other multinationals, thirsty enough for access to the Chinese market it’s willing to look the other way Edit: ya know, this is probably an excellent idea for the church. Every extra Chinese Catholic is someone who will likely ultimately accept the Pope’s authority over the CCP’s, regardless of if there are CCP friendly bishops. Get a big enough beachhead amongst poor Chinese, and bide their time, and they’re probably on to something.

BLKNSLVR 6y ago
Ironically, exposing the limits of what was claimed to be omnipotence.
- godzillabrennus 6y ago
  Reminds me of how early Christians cut out the Gospel of Judas.
- humanrebar 6y ago
  Who's claiming omnipotence? Key Christian figures have been murdered since day 0.
  - nix23 6y ago
    >Christian figures have been murdered since day 0 Nah probably more the year 16-26 AD. ;)
- dang 6y ago
  No religious flamebait on HN, please. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Asooka 6y ago
Nah, if Christianity gets big enough in China to threaten CCP rule, they'll break off from the Pope, form their own branch (sinodoxy?) and fight to be seen as an equal authority. Then they can do things like ban service in anything but Chinese and decree all Bibles must be in Chinese, etc. The only reason it hasn't happened yet is because Christianity is not big enough there.
- k__ 6y ago
  They already did this, let's how it goes.
- segfaultbuserr 6y ago
  > Nah, if Christianity gets big enough in China to threaten CCP rule, they'll break off from the Pope, form their own branch (sinodoxy?) Already done since 70 years ago. * Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Patriotic_Catholic_Association https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Patriotic_Catholic_Ass... > The Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association, abbreviated CPA, CPCA or CCPA, is an organization established in 1957 by the People's Republic of China's Religious Affairs Bureau to supervise mainland China's Catholics. It is the only organizational body of Catholics in China officially recognized by the government of the People's Republic of China, but is not recognized by the Vatican. > In his encyclical Ad Apostolorum principis of 29 July 1958, Pope Pius XII deplored the attitude and activities of the Association and declared the bishops who participated in consecrating new bishops selected by the Association to be excommunicated. Pope Benedict XVI referred to the agents of the Association as people who, though not ordained priests and sometimes not baptized, "control and take decisions concerning important ecclesial questions, including the appointment of bishops." The organization is overseen by the United Front Work Department of the Communist Party of China following the State Administration for Religious Affairs' absorption into the United Front Work Department in 2018. * Three-Self Patriotic Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Self_Patriotic_Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Self_Patriotic_Movement > The Three-Self Patriotic Movement is a Protestant organization in the People's Republic of China, and one of the largest Protestant bodies in the world. It is colloquially known as the Three-Self Church. > In May 1950, Y. T. Wu and other prominent Protestant leaders such as T. C. Chao, Chen Chonggui, and Cora Deng met in Beijing with Zhou Enlai to discuss Protestant Christianity's relationship with the young People's Republic of China. "The Christian Manifesto" was published in July 1950 and its original title was "Direction of Endeavor for Chinese Christianity in the Construction of New China." During the 1950s, 400,000 Protestant Christians publicly endorsed and signed this document. > The purpose of publishing this document was: to heighten our vigilance against imperialism, to make known the clear political stand of Christians in New China, to hasten the building of a Chinese church whose affairs are managed by the Chinese themselves, and to indicate the responsibilities that should be taken up by Christians throughout the whole country in national reconstruction in New China. > It further stated the movement promoted the "self-governance, self-support, and self-propagation" of the Chinese church.

BLKNSLVR 6y ago

Ironically, exposing the limits of what was claimed to be omnipotence.

godzillabrennus 6y ago
Reminds me of how early Christians cut out the Gospel of Judas.
humanrebar 6y ago
Who's claiming omnipotence? Key Christian figures have been murdered since day 0.
- nix23 6y ago
  >Christian figures have been murdered since day 0 Nah probably more the year 16-26 AD. ;)
dang 6y ago
No religious flamebait on HN, please. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Asooka 6y ago

Nah, if Christianity gets big enough in China to threaten CCP rule, they'll break off from the Pope, form their own branch (sinodoxy?) and fight to be seen as an equal authority. Then they can do things like ban service in anything but Chinese and decree all Bibles must be in Chinese, etc. The only reason it hasn't happened yet is because Christianity is not big enough there.

k__ 6y ago
They already did this, let's how it goes.
segfaultbuserr 6y ago
> Nah, if Christianity gets big enough in China to threaten CCP rule, they'll break off from the Pope, form their own branch (sinodoxy?) Already done since 70 years ago. * Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Patriotic_Catholic_Association https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Patriotic_Catholic_Ass... > The Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association, abbreviated CPA, CPCA or CCPA, is an organization established in 1957 by the People's Republic of China's Religious Affairs Bureau to supervise mainland China's Catholics. It is the only organizational body of Catholics in China officially recognized by the government of the People's Republic of China, but is not recognized by the Vatican. > In his encyclical Ad Apostolorum principis of 29 July 1958, Pope Pius XII deplored the attitude and activities of the Association and declared the bishops who participated in consecrating new bishops selected by the Association to be excommunicated. Pope Benedict XVI referred to the agents of the Association as people who, though not ordained priests and sometimes not baptized, "control and take decisions concerning important ecclesial questions, including the appointment of bishops." The organization is overseen by the United Front Work Department of the Communist Party of China following the State Administration for Religious Affairs' absorption into the United Front Work Department in 2018. * Three-Self Patriotic Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Self_Patriotic_Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Self_Patriotic_Movement > The Three-Self Patriotic Movement is a Protestant organization in the People's Republic of China, and one of the largest Protestant bodies in the world. It is colloquially known as the Three-Self Church. > In May 1950, Y. T. Wu and other prominent Protestant leaders such as T. C. Chao, Chen Chonggui, and Cora Deng met in Beijing with Zhou Enlai to discuss Protestant Christianity's relationship with the young People's Republic of China. "The Christian Manifesto" was published in July 1950 and its original title was "Direction of Endeavor for Chinese Christianity in the Construction of New China." During the 1950s, 400,000 Protestant Christians publicly endorsed and signed this document. > The purpose of publishing this document was: to heighten our vigilance against imperialism, to make known the clear political stand of Christians in New China, to hasten the building of a Chinese church whose affairs are managed by the Chinese themselves, and to indicate the responsibilities that should be taken up by Christians throughout the whole country in national reconstruction in New China. > It further stated the movement promoted the "self-governance, self-support, and self-propagation" of the Chinese church.