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> I’m increasingly convinced people are unsettled by the possibility that this could be anything other than civilization ending and the mask averse amongst us

by badRNG 6y ago

> I’m increasingly convinced people are unsettled by the possibility that this could be anything other than civilization ending and the mask averse amongst us aren’t murderers. In just the past couple of months, COVID-19 has racked up a body count of 130,000 dead Americans. For perspective, that's forty-five 9/11s worth of dead people. Asking people to wear a mask in public to curtail the spread saves lives. This has nothing to do with "desiring moral condemnation." The "mask adverse" can likely bear the burden of at least 1/45 of the deaths America has had compared to it's less "mask adverse" peers. I absolutely hate wearing a mask, I'm "mask adverse" like yourself, but I wear one since this is a trolley problem where pulling the lever means I have to be uncomfortable for a few hours.

jakeogh 6y ago
So, roughly twice as bad as a normal year flu/pneumonia count? https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/health_policy/influenza-and-pneumonia-deaths-2008-2015.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/health_policy/influenza-and-pn... CDC #'s 2015-2016 Flu: 7,961 Pneumonia: 131,858 All: 1,769,940 And, the death stats are inflated, it's official: http://v6y.net/1541e03e6cfd1442590bc7b5476f88c30a29a0d881bdb943bb48c3cfb6cdf527.mp4 http://v6y.net/1541e03e6cfd1442590bc7b5476f88c30a29a0d881bdb... The only real measure is excess deaths.
- Fjolsvith 6y ago
  "The state of Florida has had 82,397 people 34 & under test positive for the coronavirus. Of that number, 28 have died. That’s a coronavirus death rate of .00034. They’ve had 144,210 54 and under test positive. That’s a .0016 death rate." [1] 1. https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1280250042603929604 https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1280250042603929604
  - akiselev 6y ago
    That is some seriously disingenuous math. Whoever came up with that calculation is deliberately trying to mislead (aka lying) or is utterly incapable of grasping the concept of time. A month ago, Florida had 66,000 confirmed cases. Now it has over 200,000. With a virus take takes two to eight weeks (or more) to kill, we haven't even begun to see the real death rate.
    - hi_hello 6y ago
      Yep. Even without accounting for the lagging death metric, the present mortality rate in FL, all ages, is around 1.7% (3.8k deaths/213.8k confirmed)[1]. .. side note, 20452 confirmed cases per million residents of Miami-Dade. 2% of the population, geez. [1] https://covid-19.direct/county/FL/ https://covid-19.direct/county/FL/
      - jakeogh 6y ago
        Where are the FL excess death stats?
gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
> I absolutely hate wearing a mask, I'm "mask adverse" like yourself I'm actually not mask averse! I wear a mask all the time. I'm just interested and unsettled by what seems to be a pervasive, immediate, visceral moral reaction that fits all to well into the moral superiority and virtue signalling zeitgeist. That reaction to seeing someone without a mask is not an analytical judgement based in evidence - almost no one who feels this way is reading the literature or following the inconsistent scientific position of the effectiveness of mask wearing that's changed 180deg seemingly overnight. They're making moral judgments. I've seen enough people saying frankly "it's about showing you care."

by badRNG 6y ago

jakeogh 6y ago

So, roughly twice as bad as a normal year flu/pneumonia count? https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/health_policy/influenza-and-pneumonia-deaths-2008-2015.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/health_policy/influenza-and-pn... CDC #'s 2015-2016 Flu: 7,961 Pneumonia: 131,858 All: 1,769,940 And, the death stats are inflated, it's official: http://v6y.net/1541e03e6cfd1442590bc7b5476f88c30a29a0d881bdb943bb48c3cfb6cdf527.mp4 http://v6y.net/1541e03e6cfd1442590bc7b5476f88c30a29a0d881bdb... The only real measure is excess deaths.

Fjolsvith 6y ago
"The state of Florida has had 82,397 people 34 & under test positive for the coronavirus. Of that number, 28 have died. That’s a coronavirus death rate of .00034. They’ve had 144,210 54 and under test positive. That’s a .0016 death rate." [1] 1. https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1280250042603929604 https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1280250042603929604
- akiselev 6y ago
  That is some seriously disingenuous math. Whoever came up with that calculation is deliberately trying to mislead (aka lying) or is utterly incapable of grasping the concept of time. A month ago, Florida had 66,000 confirmed cases. Now it has over 200,000. With a virus take takes two to eight weeks (or more) to kill, we haven't even begun to see the real death rate.
  - hi_hello 6y ago
    Yep. Even without accounting for the lagging death metric, the present mortality rate in FL, all ages, is around 1.7% (3.8k deaths/213.8k confirmed)[1]. .. side note, 20452 confirmed cases per million residents of Miami-Dade. 2% of the population, geez. [1] https://covid-19.direct/county/FL/ https://covid-19.direct/county/FL/
    - jakeogh 6y ago
      Where are the FL excess death stats?

gnusty_gnurc 6y ago

> I absolutely hate wearing a mask, I'm "mask adverse" like yourself I'm actually not mask averse! I wear a mask all the time. I'm just interested and unsettled by what seems to be a pervasive, immediate, visceral moral reaction that fits all to well into the moral superiority and virtue signalling zeitgeist. That reaction to seeing someone without a mask is not an analytical judgement based in evidence - almost no one who feels this way is reading the literature or following the inconsistent scientific position of the effectiveness of mask wearing that's changed 180deg seemingly overnight. They're making moral judgments. I've seen enough people saying frankly "it's about showing you care."