I agree; My personal view is that it's fundamental to know these ideas, just as one can't be a physicist without knowing a decent chunk of mathematics. On the

I agree; My personal view is that it's fundamental to know these ideas, just as one can't be a physicist without knowing a decent chunk of mathematics. On the other hand, it seems that biology majors seem to "get by" [as far as I can tell] without needing to learn much math. Perhaps one can argue that it's better if they learnt more math. But we can't argue that the profession of being a doctor seems to work without them knowing too much math. It's unclear to me, where in the extremely broad spectrum of jobs known as "programmer" [writing code for the space shuttle v/s bringing up an android app] where the need for mathematics ends. So I hesitate to make blanket statements about this. What I will never hesitate to defend is the utility of these ideas of theoretical CS/mathematics for all computer scientists and scientist-adjacent folks.