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Unfortunately covid deaths are highly unreliable as there is lots of evidence worldwide that people dying with covid are also counted with those dying of covid.

Unfortunately covid deaths are highly unreliable as there is lots of evidence worldwide that people dying with covid are also counted with those dying of covid. Also lots of cases of dead people being counted while not being tested or positively tested for covid.

saalweachter 6y ago
During the peak of crisis in NYC, the death rate was ~6 times normal. If those extra deaths weren't from COVID-19, what were they from?
- drummer 6y ago
  You won't like the answer: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kIngGuof9E0 https://youtube.com/watch?v=kIngGuof9E0
  - berdario 6y ago
    For people that prefer not to waste time on that, like I did... It's a covid19 conspiracy from antivaxxers The first debunking of it I found: https://zdoggmd.com/undercover-nurse/ https://zdoggmd.com/undercover-nurse/
    - hyanaroo 6y ago
      lol..i dont know how i missed your comment,,i wasted my time on those idiots hehe
- hyanaroo 6y ago
  see this too ,the debunk of the nurse in the previous youtube link ;)
- hyanaroo 6y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPqfY2F2KR8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPqfY2F2KR8
- hyanaroo 6y ago
  also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4gGxRlzoKI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4gGxRlzoKI
- hyanaroo 6y ago
  looks like that nurse has a fb page of anti vaxx and lots of beaseless claims,wasted my time dammit :(
watwut 6y ago
How do you think flu deaths are counted? Because that numbers shows also estimated death people - people who were never even tested on flu. Like, percentage of pneumonia deaths. And they contain also people also having other health issues and not just flu.
- makomk 6y ago
  Flu deaths are counted as the number of people who die because of the flu - that is, they represent people who wouldn't have died if they didn't catch the flu. This is of course an estimate, and there are some pretty fundamental reasons why it has to be such as the fact that flu causes heart attacks and strokes but also just happens to be present in patients who have one for unrelated reasons, but it should be a pretty robust one because flu is an old and well researched disease and we have a vey good idea of how it behaves at a population level.
  - kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
    The CDC includes pneumonia deaths during flu season because not all death certificates record influenza as the cause.
erichocean 6y ago
> people dying with covid are also counted with those dying of covid Generic "flu" deaths are also counted the same way. Why do you think Covid deaths should be counted differently?
addled 6y ago
That's exactly why I like the link I posted. It tries to provide context on how many people die with covid, flu, pneumonia, or some combination of the 3. Then more importantly, it looks at the overall death rate. Because even if you completely ignore the covid count, the fact that there are so many more people dying than normal should grab people's attention.

saalweachter 6y ago

During the peak of crisis in NYC, the death rate was ~6 times normal. If those extra deaths weren't from COVID-19, what were they from?

drummer 6y ago
You won't like the answer: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kIngGuof9E0 https://youtube.com/watch?v=kIngGuof9E0
- berdario 6y ago
  For people that prefer not to waste time on that, like I did... It's a covid19 conspiracy from antivaxxers The first debunking of it I found: https://zdoggmd.com/undercover-nurse/ https://zdoggmd.com/undercover-nurse/
  - hyanaroo 6y ago
    lol..i dont know how i missed your comment,,i wasted my time on those idiots hehe
hyanaroo 6y ago
see this too ,the debunk of the nurse in the previous youtube link ;)
hyanaroo 6y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPqfY2F2KR8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPqfY2F2KR8
hyanaroo 6y ago
also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4gGxRlzoKI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4gGxRlzoKI
hyanaroo 6y ago
looks like that nurse has a fb page of anti vaxx and lots of beaseless claims,wasted my time dammit :(

watwut 6y ago

How do you think flu deaths are counted? Because that numbers shows also estimated death people - people who were never even tested on flu. Like, percentage of pneumonia deaths. And they contain also people also having other health issues and not just flu.

makomk 6y ago
Flu deaths are counted as the number of people who die because of the flu - that is, they represent people who wouldn't have died if they didn't catch the flu. This is of course an estimate, and there are some pretty fundamental reasons why it has to be such as the fact that flu causes heart attacks and strokes but also just happens to be present in patients who have one for unrelated reasons, but it should be a pretty robust one because flu is an old and well researched disease and we have a vey good idea of how it behaves at a population level.
- kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
  The CDC includes pneumonia deaths during flu season because not all death certificates record influenza as the cause.

erichocean 6y ago

> people dying with covid are also counted with those dying of covid Generic "flu" deaths are also counted the same way. Why do you think Covid deaths should be counted differently?

addled 6y ago

That's exactly why I like the link I posted. It tries to provide context on how many people die with covid, flu, pneumonia, or some combination of the 3. Then more importantly, it looks at the overall death rate. Because even if you completely ignore the covid count, the fact that there are so many more people dying than normal should grab people's attention.