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So you may downvote me, but i never 'objected to it', I never said "if you truly believe that what people mean === what they say". Suggesting I did is missing t

So you may downvote me, but i never 'objected to it', I never said "if you truly believe that what people mean === what they say". Suggesting I did is missing the entire point of my post. It's not about whether you agree with something or not, it's that answering a question specifically asking for 'something un-intuitive or not common wisdom' with banal un-cited generalities is quite worthless. I guess you will have to continue to feel sorry for me.

neilk 16y ago
I may have missed the point, but if so, so did a lot of other people. If you meant to say "this is true but trivial", the phrase "unscientific gumf" was a poor choice. I gave you some citations for your other question. I'll assume you meant to thank me for clarifying the matter and just forgot.
- heyitsnick 16y ago
  It's like we are talking about two entirely different subjects. Let me state it as clearly as I can: - I was making absolutely no comment about whether something is true or not. - I'm not saying that what was written was incorrect. And I'm not saying "this is true but trivial". Again, I'm making absolutely zero comment about whether what was said was accurate. - My point was, if you are going to answer a question asking for advice that's 'un-intuitive or not common knowledge', making over-simplified, bland recommendations on certain subjects without citation does not answer the question and actually makes things worse. - When I said things like "where's the citation?", I wasn't actually asking for HN posters to respond to back it up. I'm not strongly opposed to, say, the reading of body language. (although it's certainly interesting to go off on a tangent and discuss some specific points - I've commented on this topic below in the discussion). - Instead I was using a rhetorical device to demonstrate that the lack of clarification and citation just further spreads unscientific 'intuitive' folklore. That people are actually providing citations to something and supporting a point actually supports my argument, do you see? If you now take this understanding and re-read your first response, you can see the whole "well I feel sorry for you" thing just doesn't jive at at all to this sub-thread of discussion.
  - Mz 16y ago
    It's like we are talking about two entirely different subjects. Story of my marriage. Some folks just have very incompatible communication styles. At such times, more clarification often just muddies the water more. I hope that is not the case here. Peace.

neilk 16y ago

I may have missed the point, but if so, so did a lot of other people. If you meant to say "this is true but trivial", the phrase "unscientific gumf" was a poor choice. I gave you some citations for your other question. I'll assume you meant to thank me for clarifying the matter and just forgot.

heyitsnick 16y ago
It's like we are talking about two entirely different subjects. Let me state it as clearly as I can: - I was making absolutely no comment about whether something is true or not. - I'm not saying that what was written was incorrect. And I'm not saying "this is true but trivial". Again, I'm making absolutely zero comment about whether what was said was accurate. - My point was, if you are going to answer a question asking for advice that's 'un-intuitive or not common knowledge', making over-simplified, bland recommendations on certain subjects without citation does not answer the question and actually makes things worse. - When I said things like "where's the citation?", I wasn't actually asking for HN posters to respond to back it up. I'm not strongly opposed to, say, the reading of body language. (although it's certainly interesting to go off on a tangent and discuss some specific points - I've commented on this topic below in the discussion). - Instead I was using a rhetorical device to demonstrate that the lack of clarification and citation just further spreads unscientific 'intuitive' folklore. That people are actually providing citations to something and supporting a point actually supports my argument, do you see? If you now take this understanding and re-read your first response, you can see the whole "well I feel sorry for you" thing just doesn't jive at at all to this sub-thread of discussion.
- Mz 16y ago
  It's like we are talking about two entirely different subjects. Story of my marriage. Some folks just have very incompatible communication styles. At such times, more clarification often just muddies the water more. I hope that is not the case here. Peace.