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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm For US data, I like how this table compares deaths fr
by addled 6y ago
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
For US data, I like how this table compares deaths from covid, flu, and pneumonia against the total deaths for all causes each week. I especially like that they show the ratio of current deaths vs the average of the 3 years prior for the same week.
The downside is how the data is slowly updated as each state trickles in data, so the most recent 4-8 weeks look lower now than if you check back later.
Still if you look back to April, flu deaths each week were in the hundreds, while covid deaths 9-15k. Saying it is 10x or more worse, doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
What really grabbed me is that the total US deaths in April from all causes was +40% compared to prior 3 year average.
- drummer 6y agoUnfortunately covid deaths are highly unreliable as there is lots of evidence worldwide that people dying with covid are also counted with those dying of covid. Also lots of cases of dead people being counted while not being tested or positively tested for covid.
- saalweachter 6y agoDuring the peak of crisis in NYC, the death rate was ~6 times normal. If those extra deaths weren't from COVID-19, what were they from?
- drummer 6y agoYou won't like the answer: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kIngGuof9E0 https://youtube.com/watch?v=kIngGuof9E0
- berdario 6y agoFor people that prefer not to waste time on that, like I did... It's a covid19 conspiracy from antivaxxers The first debunking of it I found: https://zdoggmd.com/undercover-nurse/ https://zdoggmd.com/undercover-nurse/
- hyanaroo 6y agolol..i dont know how i missed your comment,,i wasted my time on those idiots hehe
- hyanaroo 6y agosee this too ,the debunk of the nurse in the previous youtube link ;)
- hyanaroo 6y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPqfY2F2KR8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPqfY2F2KR8
- hyanaroo 6y agoalso this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4gGxRlzoKI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4gGxRlzoKI
- hyanaroo 6y agolooks like that nurse has a fb page of anti vaxx and lots of beaseless claims,wasted my time dammit :(
- watwut 6y agoHow do you think flu deaths are counted? Because that numbers shows also estimated death people - people who were never even tested on flu. Like, percentage of pneumonia deaths. And they contain also people also having other health issues and not just flu.
- makomk 6y agoFlu deaths are counted as the number of people who die because of the flu - that is, they represent people who wouldn't have died if they didn't catch the flu. This is of course an estimate, and there are some pretty fundamental reasons why it has to be such as the fact that flu causes heart attacks and strokes but also just happens to be present in patients who have one for unrelated reasons, but it should be a pretty robust one because flu is an old and well researched disease and we have a vey good idea of how it behaves at a population level.
- kevin_thibedeau 6y agoThe CDC includes pneumonia deaths during flu season because not all death certificates record influenza as the cause.
- erichocean 6y ago> people dying with covid are also counted with those dying of covid Generic "flu" deaths are also counted the same way. Why do you think Covid deaths should be counted differently?
- addled 6y agoThat's exactly why I like the link I posted. It tries to provide context on how many people die with covid, flu, pneumonia, or some combination of the 3. Then more importantly, it looks at the overall death rate. Because even if you completely ignore the covid count, the fact that there are so many more people dying than normal should grab people's attention.
- vonmoltke 6y agoFYI, you double-pasted the link. The correct one is https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
- addled 6y agoAh, sorry. Fixed above now as well. Thanks!