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Indeed. I think the original C&C is still pretty playable. It might not be fun after a few levels compared to a modern RTS, but all they core elements of the mo

Indeed. I think the original C&C is still pretty playable. It might not be fun after a few levels compared to a modern RTS, but all they core elements of the modern game are there. Dune II does not hold up in the same way (and I love the source material). Not being able to select multiple units at once is alone a game breaker.

davedx 6y ago
> Not being able to select multiple units at once is alone a game breaker. Well, it's really not, because the game was fantastic and a lot of people enjoyed playing it. Game breaking would have been if when you played against another player they had multi select and you didn't. Modern RTS players get very good at issuing actions to many specific units individually at high speed, it's an acknowledged skill today. If your only strategy is a mass siege tank zerg, then yeah, no multi select is a little bit inconvenient.
- tunap 6y ago
  You could always target a string of consecutive units and send the leader to (x) and the rest would follow. And get picked off 1 by 1 if you forgot about them long enough.
  - jandrese 6y ago
    However, if the leader stopped when he got in weapons range the rest of the units would just sit back there and watch him fight. Westwood learned some lessons from Dune 2 that made Command and Conquer much better to play. I'm a bit surprised there isn't a remake of Dune 2 out there that fixes the UI quibbles and updates the graphics. There was a lot of neat stuff in the game (it was surprisingly feature rich for being basically the first of its genre) but few people these days remember it. Maybe someone will get the rights for a remake when the new movie comes out? Sadly Westwood is buried out back in the EA studio graveyard.
    - tunap 6y ago
      IDK about Dune 2, but Dune 2000 has a ton of expansions/mods on the moddb. On that note, there was an official reboot to C&C released last month. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_%26_Conquer_Remastered_Collection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_%26_Conquer_Remastered...
      - MayeulC 6y ago
        More importantly, Dune2000 can be played using the open source engine OpenRA, see my sibling comment: EA announced it would release some old source code to help with the project.
    - MayeulC 6y ago
      Well, I found this within one minute of searching: https://github.com/OpenDUNE/OpenDUNE/blob/master/enhancement.txt https://github.com/OpenDUNE/OpenDUNE/blob/master/enhancement... Engine or full reimplementation are common for previously widely popular games, some are even supported by the developers: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2020/05/ea-to-open-source-part-of-tiberian-dawn-red-alert https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2020/05/ea-to-open-source-part... Also: http://dunelegacy.sourceforge.net/website/ http://dunelegacy.sourceforge.net/website/ > It tries to be as similar as possible to the original gameplay but to integrate user interface features most modern realtime-strategy games have like selecting multiple units
rangibaby 6y ago
I still enjoy how much the presentation of the original C&C tries to make it feel like you’re actually commanding an army from your computer. I think that part of it is still fresh now, even though parts of the gameplay are dated now

davedx 6y ago

> Not being able to select multiple units at once is alone a game breaker. Well, it's really not, because the game was fantastic and a lot of people enjoyed playing it. Game breaking would have been if when you played against another player they had multi select and you didn't. Modern RTS players get very good at issuing actions to many specific units individually at high speed, it's an acknowledged skill today. If your only strategy is a mass siege tank zerg, then yeah, no multi select is a little bit inconvenient.

tunap 6y ago
You could always target a string of consecutive units and send the leader to (x) and the rest would follow. And get picked off 1 by 1 if you forgot about them long enough.
- jandrese 6y ago
  However, if the leader stopped when he got in weapons range the rest of the units would just sit back there and watch him fight. Westwood learned some lessons from Dune 2 that made Command and Conquer much better to play. I'm a bit surprised there isn't a remake of Dune 2 out there that fixes the UI quibbles and updates the graphics. There was a lot of neat stuff in the game (it was surprisingly feature rich for being basically the first of its genre) but few people these days remember it. Maybe someone will get the rights for a remake when the new movie comes out? Sadly Westwood is buried out back in the EA studio graveyard.
  - tunap 6y ago
    IDK about Dune 2, but Dune 2000 has a ton of expansions/mods on the moddb. On that note, there was an official reboot to C&C released last month. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_%26_Conquer_Remastered_Collection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_%26_Conquer_Remastered...
    - MayeulC 6y ago
      More importantly, Dune2000 can be played using the open source engine OpenRA, see my sibling comment: EA announced it would release some old source code to help with the project.
  - MayeulC 6y ago
    Well, I found this within one minute of searching: https://github.com/OpenDUNE/OpenDUNE/blob/master/enhancement.txt https://github.com/OpenDUNE/OpenDUNE/blob/master/enhancement... Engine or full reimplementation are common for previously widely popular games, some are even supported by the developers: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2020/05/ea-to-open-source-part-of-tiberian-dawn-red-alert https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2020/05/ea-to-open-source-part... Also: http://dunelegacy.sourceforge.net/website/ http://dunelegacy.sourceforge.net/website/ > It tries to be as similar as possible to the original gameplay but to integrate user interface features most modern realtime-strategy games have like selecting multiple units

rangibaby 6y ago

I still enjoy how much the presentation of the original C&C tries to make it feel like you’re actually commanding an army from your computer. I think that part of it is still fresh now, even though parts of the gameplay are dated now