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Claims about the Earth being only several thousand years old have been proven false.

by ikeboy 6y ago

Cyph0n 6y ago
Of course.
dane-pgp 6y ago
What about claims of the Earth being only five minutes old? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omphalos_hypothesis#Five-minute_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omphalos_hypothesis#Five-minut...
- Alupis 6y ago
  One of the common "excuses" for earth's timeline in religion is the notion of time. What is time, and is it measured the same from all beings and perspectives? We understand time in relation to Earth. If a being is not from Earth, or has some other non-human perspective, the notion of time can get very tricky to reconcile.
RonanTheGrey 6y ago
Except the Bible never claims such a thing. It's been claimed by some religious figures over the last 1000 years and never been accepted as canon by any major Christian church (except maybe some minor sects I've never heard of but then those aren't "major", any belief system has fringes).
- s1artibartfast 6y ago
  I would argue this is more than a fringe belief, as 38% of Americans think "God created humans in present form within last 10,000 years". [1] That said, do you think that religions who preach this view should be banned from youtube? https://news.gallup.com/poll/210956/belief-creationist-view-humans-new-low.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/210956/belief-creationist-view-...
  - RonanTheGrey 6y ago
    The churches for some reason I don't understand, do nothing to dissuade that belief even though no major church teaches it (nor ever has). Same as some people think the earth is flat right? And no, I don't think anyone should be banned unless they break the law.
    - epsteinisntdead 6y ago
      A single shred of doubt has a lot of power. As a comment above mentioned, ~38% of Christians believe in a young Earth. They are more than likely the ones who believe in the so-called "infallibility of Scripture". The percentage of the ~38% that might consider evidence brought to them by an authority they respect may also consider the fallibility of other parts of the Bible that those authorities endorse actively in comparison. That's my best guess at why church leaders don't ever talk about myths perpetuated by the congregation.
      - RonanTheGrey 6y ago
        Damn that's a good point. I had forgotten about that "infallibility of scripture" belief. I think it's misguided and I generally avoid engaging deeply with anyone who holds to it, because to me any meaningful conversation is nuanced. That position is markedly not nuanced..
- amanaplanacanal 6y ago
  The Bible does give genealogies of Jesus that are only a few generations long from the very first man to the time of the Roman Empire. Logically speaking then either the age of the earth is very short or some people in the last lived thousands of years.
- joubert 6y ago
  I’m sorry, but Your claim is revisionist. A young earth belief was the norm before modern evidence to the contrary: “The chronology dating the creation to 4004 BC became the most accepted and popular, mainly because this specific date was printed in the King James Bible.[19] The youngest ever recorded date of creation within the historic Jewish or Christian traditions is 3616 BC, by Yom-Tov Lipmann Heller in the 17th century,[20] while the oldest proposed date was 6984 BC by Alfonso X of Castile.[21] However, some contemporary or more recent proponents of Young Earth Creationism have taken this figure back further by several thousands of years by proposing significant gaps in the genealogies in chapters 5 and 11 of the Book of Genesis. Harold Camping, for example, dated the creation to 11,013 BC, while Christian Charles Josias Bunsen in the 19th century dated the creation to 20,000 BC.[22] Several early Jews also followed an allegorical interpretation of Genesis, including most notably Philo (On the Creation, III.13).[23] The Protestant reformation hermeneutic inclined some of the Reformers, including John Calvin[24][25] and Martin Luther,[26] and later Protestants toward a literal reading of the Bible as translated, believing in an ordinary day, and maintaining this younger-Earth view.[27] An Earth that was thousands of years old remained the dominant view during the Early Modern Period (1500–1800)”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism
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Claims about the Earth being only several thousand years old have been proven false.

by ikeboy 6y ago

Claims about the Earth being only several thousand years old have been proven false.

Cyph0n 6y ago

Of course.

dane-pgp 6y ago

What about claims of the Earth being only five minutes old? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omphalos_hypothesis#Five-minute_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omphalos_hypothesis#Five-minut...

Alupis 6y ago
One of the common "excuses" for earth's timeline in religion is the notion of time. What is time, and is it measured the same from all beings and perspectives? We understand time in relation to Earth. If a being is not from Earth, or has some other non-human perspective, the notion of time can get very tricky to reconcile.

RonanTheGrey 6y ago

Except the Bible never claims such a thing. It's been claimed by some religious figures over the last 1000 years and never been accepted as canon by any major Christian church (except maybe some minor sects I've never heard of but then those aren't "major", any belief system has fringes).

s1artibartfast 6y ago
I would argue this is more than a fringe belief, as 38% of Americans think "God created humans in present form within last 10,000 years". [1] That said, do you think that religions who preach this view should be banned from youtube? https://news.gallup.com/poll/210956/belief-creationist-view-humans-new-low.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/210956/belief-creationist-view-...
- RonanTheGrey 6y ago
  The churches for some reason I don't understand, do nothing to dissuade that belief even though no major church teaches it (nor ever has). Same as some people think the earth is flat right? And no, I don't think anyone should be banned unless they break the law.
  - epsteinisntdead 6y ago
    A single shred of doubt has a lot of power. As a comment above mentioned, ~38% of Christians believe in a young Earth. They are more than likely the ones who believe in the so-called "infallibility of Scripture". The percentage of the ~38% that might consider evidence brought to them by an authority they respect may also consider the fallibility of other parts of the Bible that those authorities endorse actively in comparison. That's my best guess at why church leaders don't ever talk about myths perpetuated by the congregation.
    - RonanTheGrey 6y ago
      Damn that's a good point. I had forgotten about that "infallibility of scripture" belief. I think it's misguided and I generally avoid engaging deeply with anyone who holds to it, because to me any meaningful conversation is nuanced. That position is markedly not nuanced..
amanaplanacanal 6y ago
The Bible does give genealogies of Jesus that are only a few generations long from the very first man to the time of the Roman Empire. Logically speaking then either the age of the earth is very short or some people in the last lived thousands of years.
joubert 6y ago
I’m sorry, but Your claim is revisionist. A young earth belief was the norm before modern evidence to the contrary: “The chronology dating the creation to 4004 BC became the most accepted and popular, mainly because this specific date was printed in the King James Bible.[19] The youngest ever recorded date of creation within the historic Jewish or Christian traditions is 3616 BC, by Yom-Tov Lipmann Heller in the 17th century,[20] while the oldest proposed date was 6984 BC by Alfonso X of Castile.[21] However, some contemporary or more recent proponents of Young Earth Creationism have taken this figure back further by several thousands of years by proposing significant gaps in the genealogies in chapters 5 and 11 of the Book of Genesis. Harold Camping, for example, dated the creation to 11,013 BC, while Christian Charles Josias Bunsen in the 19th century dated the creation to 20,000 BC.[22] Several early Jews also followed an allegorical interpretation of Genesis, including most notably Philo (On the Creation, III.13).[23] The Protestant reformation hermeneutic inclined some of the Reformers, including John Calvin[24][25] and Martin Luther,[26] and later Protestants toward a literal reading of the Bible as translated, believing in an ordinary day, and maintaining this younger-Earth view.[27] An Earth that was thousands of years old remained the dominant view during the Early Modern Period (1500–1800)”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism
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