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The banned channel apparently contained mostly "vintage audio repair", not exactly Google's bread and butter. Also they allow numerous other creators doing repa

The banned channel apparently contained mostly "vintage audio repair", not exactly Google's bread and butter. Also they allow numerous other creators doing repair (ifixit, louis rossman, even the channel that posted this video). This probably isn't an anti-repair move, but a Kafkaesque bureaucratic one. Still an annoying problem.

lmilcin 6y ago
It would be nice to know the exact reason the Youtube decided to kill this and not other repair channels. As an amateur I am subscribed to many repair channels and I can't see any specific reason why this particular channel would deserve getting banned.
AzzieElbab 6y ago
An algorithm just deleted entire channel without a warning?
- voxic11 6y ago
  Happens all the time on YouTube.
  - isoos 6y ago
    Is there a good video backup tool that archives a channel for later viewing?
    - crtasm 6y ago
      Yes, youtube-dl (also handles many, many other sites) https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl
    - sp332 6y ago
      # Download all playlists of YouTube channel/user keeping each playlist in separate directory: $ youtube-dl -o '%(uploader)s/%(playlist)s/%(playlist_index)s - %(title)s.%(ext)s' https://www.youtube.com/user/TheLinuxFoundation/playlists https://www.youtube.com/user/TheLinuxFoundation/playlists
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
- the_other 6y ago
  Why does an AI have that power?
  - rocqua 6y ago
    Because it helps against abuse, allows youtube to claim "We are doing something about X" and is pretty dang cheap. And the cost of getting it wrong is pretty low for youtube.
  - 6510 6y ago
    Trial by robot, welcome to 2020
  - arp242 6y ago
    There is nothing wrong with the AI having that power as such IMO, as long as humans have the ability to override it. The problems are mostly in that last part IMO.
    - soco 6y ago
      Well in this particular case the YouTube humans surely have the ability but won't do anything about it. It feels pretty much the same, if you're at the receiving end of the stick.
      - arp242 6y ago
        I'm not so sure the regular Google support people have all that much power to change things; based on the various story I hear, I suspect they have very little power.
  - userbinator 6y ago
    Situations like this are precisely why I'm against people who want to "automate everything" --- sooner or later a complex system is going to do something wrong, possibly with severe consequences, and you're going to have a very hard time figuring out what happened and how to fix it.
  - rtkwe 6y ago
- dx87 6y ago
  Wouldn't suprise me. A woodworking channel I watch had all of its videos deleted with no warning. The channel owner said that customer support told him it's against their policy to say why videos are deleted.
  - arp242 6y ago
    They probably don't even know why, or it's just too much effort to find out. The Algorithm Has Spoken. YouTube makes enough money anyway so why bother doing right by people? At YouTube's scale it's almost impossible to not mess up these kind of things some of the time, that's okay. The unforgiving part is that they just don't care.
    - systematical 6y ago
      Yeah but these aren't being auto-deleted with logs or reason. They are almost certainly sitting in a table somewhere marked as deleted by algo. So they do know why, they just don't care.
      - maccard 6y ago
        Someone knows why. It's likely that the YT support rep doesn't know why, and it's likely not information you want to share with low paid outsourced staff.
    - huntermeyer 6y ago
      Reminds me of a chapter in the book, "Weapons of Math Destruction"[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons_of_Math_Destruction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons_of_Math_Destruction
- gsich 6y ago
  Oh the "algorithm". Default excuse so that nobody is responsible. Someone is responsible.
dghughes 6y ago
It sounds like Mr. Carlson's Lab I hope he doesn't get the boot too. https://www.youtube.com/user/MrCarlsonsLab https://www.youtube.com/user/MrCarlsonsLab

lmilcin 6y ago

It would be nice to know the exact reason the Youtube decided to kill this and not other repair channels. As an amateur I am subscribed to many repair channels and I can't see any specific reason why this particular channel would deserve getting banned.

AzzieElbab 6y ago

An algorithm just deleted entire channel without a warning?

voxic11 6y ago
Happens all the time on YouTube.
- isoos 6y ago
  Is there a good video backup tool that archives a channel for later viewing?
  - crtasm 6y ago
    Yes, youtube-dl (also handles many, many other sites) https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl
  - sp332 6y ago
    # Download all playlists of YouTube channel/user keeping each playlist in separate directory: $ youtube-dl -o '%(uploader)s/%(playlist)s/%(playlist_index)s - %(title)s.%(ext)s' https://www.youtube.com/user/TheLinuxFoundation/playlists https://www.youtube.com/user/TheLinuxFoundation/playlists
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
the_other 6y ago
Why does an AI have that power?
- rocqua 6y ago
  Because it helps against abuse, allows youtube to claim "We are doing something about X" and is pretty dang cheap. And the cost of getting it wrong is pretty low for youtube.
- 6510 6y ago
  Trial by robot, welcome to 2020
- arp242 6y ago
  There is nothing wrong with the AI having that power as such IMO, as long as humans have the ability to override it. The problems are mostly in that last part IMO.
  - soco 6y ago
    Well in this particular case the YouTube humans surely have the ability but won't do anything about it. It feels pretty much the same, if you're at the receiving end of the stick.
    - arp242 6y ago
      I'm not so sure the regular Google support people have all that much power to change things; based on the various story I hear, I suspect they have very little power.
- userbinator 6y ago
  Situations like this are precisely why I'm against people who want to "automate everything" --- sooner or later a complex system is going to do something wrong, possibly with severe consequences, and you're going to have a very hard time figuring out what happened and how to fix it.
- rtkwe 6y ago
dx87 6y ago
Wouldn't suprise me. A woodworking channel I watch had all of its videos deleted with no warning. The channel owner said that customer support told him it's against their policy to say why videos are deleted.
- arp242 6y ago
  They probably don't even know why, or it's just too much effort to find out. The Algorithm Has Spoken. YouTube makes enough money anyway so why bother doing right by people? At YouTube's scale it's almost impossible to not mess up these kind of things some of the time, that's okay. The unforgiving part is that they just don't care.
  - systematical 6y ago
    Yeah but these aren't being auto-deleted with logs or reason. They are almost certainly sitting in a table somewhere marked as deleted by algo. So they do know why, they just don't care.
    - maccard 6y ago
      Someone knows why. It's likely that the YT support rep doesn't know why, and it's likely not information you want to share with low paid outsourced staff.
  - huntermeyer 6y ago
    Reminds me of a chapter in the book, "Weapons of Math Destruction"[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons_of_Math_Destruction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons_of_Math_Destruction
gsich 6y ago
Oh the "algorithm". Default excuse so that nobody is responsible. Someone is responsible.

dghughes 6y ago

It sounds like Mr. Carlson's Lab I hope he doesn't get the boot too. https://www.youtube.com/user/MrCarlsonsLab https://www.youtube.com/user/MrCarlsonsLab