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You're trying to portray these requirements as transparent and easy but they are incredibly hard to be met by most people yeah, especially compared to the requi

You're trying to portray these requirements as transparent and easy but they are incredibly hard to be met by most people yeah, especially compared to the requirements for American Immigration system. The only reason why America is hard to immigrate to is because far too many people in line ahead of you. You can immigrate to America without being educated, be able to speak English, to have ever worked anywhere. I know a Canadian girl who wanted her American boyfriend to move to Canada but it was incredibly hard because of Canadian immigration process requirements, so instead she moved to the US. The Canadian job requirement is essentially a prerequisite for anyone to be able to hire you in Canada because Canadians are very risk-averse (what other Canadians told me), there are stories and stories on quora about Indian immigrants getting 4-5 interviews in a day, the day they qualify for the tn1 Visa as opposed to essentially being unemployed during the time they were in Canada. All the things your listing are paper requirements, but they don't match the reality, as I'm experiencing with trying to get my own brother to Canada.

manuelabeledo 6y ago
I don't know if you have had experiences with the US immigration system, but let me tell you, mine don't match what you said. I'm an EU citizen who came to the US five years ago. Not only I had to prove _several times_ that I have a bachelor's degree, but each time I had to apply, either for a visa, the renewal of such visa, or any other USCIS related process, I had to submit: 1. Updated documents about my marriage, my children, and my criminal, work, and financial records from my home country. These haven't changed in the past five years, yet I still have to provide them. 2. Several, lawyer-approved, questionnaires, both filled by myself and my company. 3. My company has to pay a hefty processing fee. Once I get to deposit the documents in person, I have to pay a non refundable "fraud prevention" fee of ~$500, on top of the $120 fee _per person_, just to hand my documents to the consulate official. This happens every two to three years. Nothing had to do with people "ahead" of me. Obviously, no chance to immigrate if you don't have a job lined up in the US already. Failure to fulfill any of these requirements would void the application, which takes ~4 months. Seasonal and agricultural workers _may_ be able to immigrate to the US for a few months, usually six to twelve. Other than that, unless you are a celebrity, or a Nobel prize recipient, or an Olympic athlete, or are willing to invest $500,000 to create who knows how many jobs in the US, I can't think of any other way to immigrate that is not job or study related. From what I understand, Canada does have a more transparent process, where the requirements are closer to "are you professionally qualified to work on these jobs?" and "would you be able to integrate?". The US system is designed mostly to filter out people who cannot afford it, and both the multiple processes, and volatile nature of the USCIS, derive in many qualified immigrants getting kicked out of the country just because something changes at the worst possible moment.
- splintercell 6y ago
  I have been through multiple H1B applications, a Green Card application, and right now going through Naturalization process, on the other end, I am getting my brother through Canadian process. Regarding the points you made, all these things are applicable for Canadian process too (my brother is stuck trying to prove the documents and degree because of the lockdown), its' just that in American system there are far too many people ahead of you this is why it takes much longer. You're lucky that you have the skillset (and age) Canada values, otherwise it would be extremely difficult for you to migrate to Canada (whereas it isn't that much of a problem for US, unless you are in the unlucky line, i.e. China, India or Mexico).
  - manuelabeledo 6y ago
    > its' just that in American system there are far too many people ahead of you this is why it takes much longer Again, not entirely correct. In fact, there are several steps during these processes where applicants have to literally just wait for months, e.g. prevailing wage while applying for a green card. > whereas it isn't that much of a problem for US, unless you are in the unlucky line, i.e. China, India or Mexico There are only three groups of people who have it relatively easy, nowadays, to get a long term visa in the US: the O group (individuals with an extraordinary ability), the E-1 and E-2 groups (traders, investors), and the R group (religious workers). Anyone outside those is either currently banned from enter the country, e.g. H1-B visa holders without an entry stamp in their passports, or are subjected to extremely long waits to get their visas. And while there is a factor about nationality, that only applies to green cards, as L visas are per company percentage based, and H visas run through a lottery. So, again, from what I understand, it is way easier to immigrate to Canada than the US, as the USCIS is purposely curbing visa applications.
jogjayr 6y ago
> You're trying to portray these requirements as transparent and easy I said "transparent and straightforward" not "easy". Every single one of the attributes that Canada likes (other than age) is something you can control. Whereas the US is basically impossible for Indians due to a factor they have no control over: place of birth. Note Canada also has a separate track for skilled tradespeople - they aren't just taking college grads. > Canadian job requirement is essentially a prerequisite for anyone to be able to hire you in Canada...there are stories and stories I can give you anecdotes of people who went to Canada and found jobs within weeks. I think it's highly dependent on the field and your professional network. New immigrants often have no network in Canada. Is it substantially easier for fresh immigrants (i.e. people who come directly, without working in the US previously) to start working in the field of their choice in the US? By the time a Canadian immigrant can qualify for a TN they've built up work experience and a professional network in North America. This makes job hunting in the US easier. I've found the reverse is true too; having worked in the US, getting interviews and offers in Canada is pretty easy.

manuelabeledo 6y ago

I don't know if you have had experiences with the US immigration system, but let me tell you, mine don't match what you said. I'm an EU citizen who came to the US five years ago. Not only I had to prove _several times_ that I have a bachelor's degree, but each time I had to apply, either for a visa, the renewal of such visa, or any other USCIS related process, I had to submit: 1. Updated documents about my marriage, my children, and my criminal, work, and financial records from my home country. These haven't changed in the past five years, yet I still have to provide them. 2. Several, lawyer-approved, questionnaires, both filled by myself and my company. 3. My company has to pay a hefty processing fee. Once I get to deposit the documents in person, I have to pay a non refundable "fraud prevention" fee of ~$500, on top of the $120 fee _per person_, just to hand my documents to the consulate official. This happens every two to three years. Nothing had to do with people "ahead" of me. Obviously, no chance to immigrate if you don't have a job lined up in the US already. Failure to fulfill any of these requirements would void the application, which takes ~4 months. Seasonal and agricultural workers _may_ be able to immigrate to the US for a few months, usually six to twelve. Other than that, unless you are a celebrity, or a Nobel prize recipient, or an Olympic athlete, or are willing to invest $500,000 to create who knows how many jobs in the US, I can't think of any other way to immigrate that is not job or study related. From what I understand, Canada does have a more transparent process, where the requirements are closer to "are you professionally qualified to work on these jobs?" and "would you be able to integrate?". The US system is designed mostly to filter out people who cannot afford it, and both the multiple processes, and volatile nature of the USCIS, derive in many qualified immigrants getting kicked out of the country just because something changes at the worst possible moment.

splintercell 6y ago
I have been through multiple H1B applications, a Green Card application, and right now going through Naturalization process, on the other end, I am getting my brother through Canadian process. Regarding the points you made, all these things are applicable for Canadian process too (my brother is stuck trying to prove the documents and degree because of the lockdown), its' just that in American system there are far too many people ahead of you this is why it takes much longer. You're lucky that you have the skillset (and age) Canada values, otherwise it would be extremely difficult for you to migrate to Canada (whereas it isn't that much of a problem for US, unless you are in the unlucky line, i.e. China, India or Mexico).
- manuelabeledo 6y ago
  > its' just that in American system there are far too many people ahead of you this is why it takes much longer Again, not entirely correct. In fact, there are several steps during these processes where applicants have to literally just wait for months, e.g. prevailing wage while applying for a green card. > whereas it isn't that much of a problem for US, unless you are in the unlucky line, i.e. China, India or Mexico There are only three groups of people who have it relatively easy, nowadays, to get a long term visa in the US: the O group (individuals with an extraordinary ability), the E-1 and E-2 groups (traders, investors), and the R group (religious workers). Anyone outside those is either currently banned from enter the country, e.g. H1-B visa holders without an entry stamp in their passports, or are subjected to extremely long waits to get their visas. And while there is a factor about nationality, that only applies to green cards, as L visas are per company percentage based, and H visas run through a lottery. So, again, from what I understand, it is way easier to immigrate to Canada than the US, as the USCIS is purposely curbing visa applications.

jogjayr 6y ago

> You're trying to portray these requirements as transparent and easy I said "transparent and straightforward" not "easy". Every single one of the attributes that Canada likes (other than age) is something you can control. Whereas the US is basically impossible for Indians due to a factor they have no control over: place of birth. Note Canada also has a separate track for skilled tradespeople - they aren't just taking college grads. > Canadian job requirement is essentially a prerequisite for anyone to be able to hire you in Canada...there are stories and stories I can give you anecdotes of people who went to Canada and found jobs within weeks. I think it's highly dependent on the field and your professional network. New immigrants often have no network in Canada. Is it substantially easier for fresh immigrants (i.e. people who come directly, without working in the US previously) to start working in the field of their choice in the US? By the time a Canadian immigrant can qualify for a TN they've built up work experience and a professional network in North America. This makes job hunting in the US easier. I've found the reverse is true too; having worked in the US, getting interviews and offers in Canada is pretty easy.