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> If possible, it should be clear what the requirements are so people can fulfil it. I really dislike arbitrarily enforceable laws where possibly everyone is in

> If possible, it should be clear what the requirements are so people can fulfil it. I really dislike arbitrarily enforceable laws where possibly everyone is in violation. I do agree with that, these kind of retaliation laws have to be codified and be precised. But that's not something uncommon outside of tech, countries will implement trade sanctions if they also face trade sanctions from other markets. Banning apps owned by the CCP seems a fair approach regarding on how they behave.

balola 6y ago
Does this hurt the CCP? No. It only hurts ByteDance and its investors , which are mostly private entities; while the CCP gets to gloat that look told you, they are no better than us.
- realusername 6y ago
  There's no independent large private company in China right now anyways, ByteDance is controlled by the CCP just like any other large Chinese company (tech or not). And decisions like this do help to hurt the CCP, it reduces the reach of Chinese tech companies.
  - balola 6y ago
    The CCP high officials don't really care about anyone but their own relatives and cronies, while your assumption is mostly right as in the cases like Alibaba and Tencent, ByteDance isn't exactly like them, it has a kind of autonomy and internationalization those companies wouldn't dare to dream of. ByteDance isn't as beholden to the party as those two since it's a startup capitalized on the app economy, it's growth is organic, didn't rely on government policies and protection. In fact ByteDance already has blockbuster app killed by Chinese authorities.
    - realusername 6y ago
      All the large companies are used for diplomatic purpose internationally by the CCP, ByteDance being that successful won't escape it. Basically they will have two solutions, either move out of China or obey the CCP like the other ones, there's no option to be independent in China. And as the private investors, well, they will soon learn how the CCP works...

balola 6y ago

Does this hurt the CCP? No. It only hurts ByteDance and its investors , which are mostly private entities; while the CCP gets to gloat that look told you, they are no better than us.

realusername 6y ago
There's no independent large private company in China right now anyways, ByteDance is controlled by the CCP just like any other large Chinese company (tech or not). And decisions like this do help to hurt the CCP, it reduces the reach of Chinese tech companies.
- balola 6y ago
  The CCP high officials don't really care about anyone but their own relatives and cronies, while your assumption is mostly right as in the cases like Alibaba and Tencent, ByteDance isn't exactly like them, it has a kind of autonomy and internationalization those companies wouldn't dare to dream of. ByteDance isn't as beholden to the party as those two since it's a startup capitalized on the app economy, it's growth is organic, didn't rely on government policies and protection. In fact ByteDance already has blockbuster app killed by Chinese authorities.
  - realusername 6y ago
    All the large companies are used for diplomatic purpose internationally by the CCP, ByteDance being that successful won't escape it. Basically they will have two solutions, either move out of China or obey the CCP like the other ones, there's no option to be independent in China. And as the private investors, well, they will soon learn how the CCP works...