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Lol. It's owned by Alibaba. It definitely is. The content is cringeworthy nationalistic guff

FooBarWidget 6y ago
Do you have any idea how many Beijing-critical articles are on SCMP? Just browse it and see it for yourself. If you're lazy, here are two examples of Beijing-critical articles: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3021310/chinese-officials-have-finally-discovered-twitter-what-could https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3021310/ch... https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3091580/how-national-security-law-strikes-heart-hong-kongs-judicial https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3091580/how-nat... SCMP has both pro-Beijing and anti-Beijing authors. The stance of an article/video depends heavily on who made it. This is despite the Alibaba ownership. So no, SCMP is not a propaganda piece.
- easytiger 6y ago
  Yea, Machiavellian principles long establish the allowance of such criticism to allow trust and control of the more critical messages. Embrace, extend, extinguish etc. It has either worked on you, or you know what you are doing I'll be perfectly honest, from someone who repeatedly tweets actual Chinese state propaganda your opinion and dedication to repeating it here is highly suspect.
  - FooBarWidget 6y ago
    So if they're uncritical of CCP, then they're propaganda. If they sometimes post criticism of CCP, then they're still propaganda. Only if they post non-stop overwhelming amounts of criticism, do you think they are genuine? If you go down this line, then there is no way any source can ever be seen as reliable, unless they completely conform to your opinion. How is this in any way a reasonable stance? My Github history is 10+ years long, my software is used by hundreds of thousands of websites all over the world, I've lived in Europe for 25 years, I respect and participate in European democracy, and you suspect that I'm a CCP shill? My stance isn't even "CCP is good", but "CCP is complicated, it's not what most people think it is, CCP has problems but the mainstream media representation is often blown out of proportion by 70%, more honest/accurate criticism is possible but requires a better understanding". You say I'm posting "propaganda". Why can this not simply be "my opinion"? I was born in China, my wife is from China, I have family there, I've witnessed many things. Are you seriously saying that I have no legit opinion on my own of what the truth about China is, and that anything I say that disagrees with you must automatically be propaganda and not genuine? With so much ridiculous, one-sided anti-China rhetoric going on, half of which can be disproven by walking down the street in China for a couple of days, the other half which is sort-of true but people like you pretending that even the untrue part is fully true and not interested in nuanced discussion, is it any wonder that I'm getting tired of that? I don't even necessarily consider myself "pro-China". I am willing to enter genuine discussions. But have a look at this research paper: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3637710 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3637710 People with attitudes such as yours, are pushing me towards the outcome described in this paper. And I'm not the only one, lots of other Chinese I'm in touch with are increasingly getting annoyed by all the unreasonable hysteria. Have you been to China? Do you obtain information about China from anything other than mainstream media? What makes you so confident that you're so right and that CCP shills are everywhere?
    - easytiger 6y ago
      Do you genuinely not understand how someone might buy an unsympathetic publication to leverage its user trust to your own advantage? It is not new, nor China specific. reasonable question.
      - FooBarWidget 6y ago
        The burden of proof should be on you. Otherwise, I can easily say that you are a CIA agent. And any attempt at proving your innocence is merely a way to cover up your guilt. Do you truly not understand how the CIA might be hiding undercover agents by making them look like reasonable people?
        easytiger 6y ago
        No one is saying you are an agent of the Communist party state apparatus. But you are completely in denial as to the extent of their influence if you think they don't control the media under their purview. You repeatedly retweet literal and unquestionable propaganda and are here defending the honour of the homeland aggressively. You are not a good faith actor in this discussion. Take a long hard look at your motivations. You repeatedly retweet QIAO COLLECTIVE propaganda. A completely and undeniable ultra left wing / tankie shill online presence and China Daily. You can cry victim as much as you want. But you are perpetuating propaganda. Literally. Of course you might just lack the sensibility to parse a news source and determine its meta motivations.
        FooBarWidget 6y ago
        Nah, I think you are delusionally paranoid if you think retweeting a bunch of non-political China Daily tweets about amusement parks, food and entertainment constitutes "propaganda". Yes, I want people to see a different side of China than just "they brought the virus, they are poor/uncivilized, they are communists/brainwashed, they steal our tech". I want to show that Chinese society is largely also a normal society, like yours. Nothing to do with politics and whether you agree with border disputes or whatever. Yes you should take Chinese (or US'es, for that matter) media's political messages with a grain of salt. So what? Even showing society is propaganda now? I can't tell others that Chinese are normal people too who can enjoy their lives, and that China is worth visiting? I call this "against the CCP AND against the Chinese people". I can understand why you would disagree with Qiao Collective. But a "shill presence", as in, "hired by the Chinese government"? You mean, they can't be legitimately a bunch of independent Asian-Americans who have their own opinions? This is just the same "everybody who has a different opinion than me is automatically a CCP shill" nonsense. In reality, real CCP propaganda is ridiculously bad. It doesn't convince anybody, it is losing the global narrative, and their propaganda departments are full of idiots who don't get it. You have nothing to be afraid of, for they are incompetent. I will decide for myself whether I am a good faith actor, thank you very much. I won't let you define who I am. But at this point, it doesn't surprise me anymore that you automatically label someone as a bad faith actor simply for having a different opinion.

Do you have any idea how many Beijing-critical articles are on SCMP? Just browse it and see it for yourself. If you're lazy, here are two examples of Beijing-critical articles: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3021310/chinese-officials-have-finally-discovered-twitter-what-could https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3021310/ch... https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3091580/how-national-security-law-strikes-heart-hong-kongs-judicial https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3091580/how-nat... SCMP has both pro-Beijing and anti-Beijing authors. The stance of an article/video depends heavily on who made it. This is despite the Alibaba ownership. So no, SCMP is not a propaganda piece.

easytiger 6y ago
Yea, Machiavellian principles long establish the allowance of such criticism to allow trust and control of the more critical messages. Embrace, extend, extinguish etc. It has either worked on you, or you know what you are doing I'll be perfectly honest, from someone who repeatedly tweets actual Chinese state propaganda your opinion and dedication to repeating it here is highly suspect.
- FooBarWidget 6y ago
  So if they're uncritical of CCP, then they're propaganda. If they sometimes post criticism of CCP, then they're still propaganda. Only if they post non-stop overwhelming amounts of criticism, do you think they are genuine? If you go down this line, then there is no way any source can ever be seen as reliable, unless they completely conform to your opinion. How is this in any way a reasonable stance? My Github history is 10+ years long, my software is used by hundreds of thousands of websites all over the world, I've lived in Europe for 25 years, I respect and participate in European democracy, and you suspect that I'm a CCP shill? My stance isn't even "CCP is good", but "CCP is complicated, it's not what most people think it is, CCP has problems but the mainstream media representation is often blown out of proportion by 70%, more honest/accurate criticism is possible but requires a better understanding". You say I'm posting "propaganda". Why can this not simply be "my opinion"? I was born in China, my wife is from China, I have family there, I've witnessed many things. Are you seriously saying that I have no legit opinion on my own of what the truth about China is, and that anything I say that disagrees with you must automatically be propaganda and not genuine? With so much ridiculous, one-sided anti-China rhetoric going on, half of which can be disproven by walking down the street in China for a couple of days, the other half which is sort-of true but people like you pretending that even the untrue part is fully true and not interested in nuanced discussion, is it any wonder that I'm getting tired of that? I don't even necessarily consider myself "pro-China". I am willing to enter genuine discussions. But have a look at this research paper: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3637710 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3637710 People with attitudes such as yours, are pushing me towards the outcome described in this paper. And I'm not the only one, lots of other Chinese I'm in touch with are increasingly getting annoyed by all the unreasonable hysteria. Have you been to China? Do you obtain information about China from anything other than mainstream media? What makes you so confident that you're so right and that CCP shills are everywhere?
  - easytiger 6y ago
    Do you genuinely not understand how someone might buy an unsympathetic publication to leverage its user trust to your own advantage? It is not new, nor China specific. reasonable question.
    - FooBarWidget 6y ago
      The burden of proof should be on you. Otherwise, I can easily say that you are a CIA agent. And any attempt at proving your innocence is merely a way to cover up your guilt. Do you truly not understand how the CIA might be hiding undercover agents by making them look like reasonable people?
      - easytiger 6y ago
        No one is saying you are an agent of the Communist party state apparatus. But you are completely in denial as to the extent of their influence if you think they don't control the media under their purview. You repeatedly retweet literal and unquestionable propaganda and are here defending the honour of the homeland aggressively. You are not a good faith actor in this discussion. Take a long hard look at your motivations. You repeatedly retweet QIAO COLLECTIVE propaganda. A completely and undeniable ultra left wing / tankie shill online presence and China Daily. You can cry victim as much as you want. But you are perpetuating propaganda. Literally. Of course you might just lack the sensibility to parse a news source and determine its meta motivations.
        FooBarWidget 6y ago
        Nah, I think you are delusionally paranoid if you think retweeting a bunch of non-political China Daily tweets about amusement parks, food and entertainment constitutes "propaganda". Yes, I want people to see a different side of China than just "they brought the virus, they are poor/uncivilized, they are communists/brainwashed, they steal our tech". I want to show that Chinese society is largely also a normal society, like yours. Nothing to do with politics and whether you agree with border disputes or whatever. Yes you should take Chinese (or US'es, for that matter) media's political messages with a grain of salt. So what? Even showing society is propaganda now? I can't tell others that Chinese are normal people too who can enjoy their lives, and that China is worth visiting? I call this "against the CCP AND against the Chinese people". I can understand why you would disagree with Qiao Collective. But a "shill presence", as in, "hired by the Chinese government"? You mean, they can't be legitimately a bunch of independent Asian-Americans who have their own opinions? This is just the same "everybody who has a different opinion than me is automatically a CCP shill" nonsense. In reality, real CCP propaganda is ridiculously bad. It doesn't convince anybody, it is losing the global narrative, and their propaganda departments are full of idiots who don't get it. You have nothing to be afraid of, for they are incompetent. I will decide for myself whether I am a good faith actor, thank you very much. I won't let you define who I am. But at this point, it doesn't surprise me anymore that you automatically label someone as a bad faith actor simply for having a different opinion.