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Those are from the South China Morning Post, which was founded in 1903 and is based in Hong Kong. It's worth reading to learn what's happening there. It is

Those are from the South China Morning Post, which was founded in 1903 and is based in Hong Kong. It's worth reading to learn what's happening there. It is not Chinese state propaganda.

MagnumOpus 6y ago
South China Morning Post was taken over by Jack Ma, billionaire card carrying member of the Chinese Communist Party, five years ago. Since then it toes the line of the Beijing regime.
- FooBarWidget 6y ago
  So toe the party line so much, that they're still publishing Beijing-critical articles, like this one: https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3091580/how-national-security-law-strikes-heart-hong-kongs-judicial https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3091580/how-nat... Sounds to me like they're not doing a very good job at toeing the party line.
  - easytiger 6y ago
    Do you genuinely not understand how someone might buy an unsympathetic publication to leverage its user trust to your own advantage? It is not new, nor China specific. You have 5 other comments here asserting the same thing.
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- propertymagnate 6y ago
  The parent seems to be correct, the wikipedia page mentions a jornalist being fired for "incorrectly" quoting Jack Ma in relation to the pro-democracy protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Morning_Post#Editorial_stance_and_staff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Morning_Post#Edito...
- DonaldFisk 6y ago
  Yet it published these articles, which do not show the PRC in a good light: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3011892/generation-amnesia-why-chinas-youth-dont-talk-about-tiananmen https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3011892/gen... https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/2159258/un-cites-reports-china-holding-1-million-uygurs-secret https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/21... https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/2043149/fresh-calls-investigation-beijings-questionable-detentions https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/2043149...
easytiger 6y ago
Lol. It's owned by Alibaba. It definitely is. The content is cringeworthy nationalistic guff
- FooBarWidget 6y ago
  Do you have any idea how many Beijing-critical articles are on SCMP? Just browse it and see it for yourself. If you're lazy, here are two examples of Beijing-critical articles: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3021310/chinese-officials-have-finally-discovered-twitter-what-could https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3021310/ch... https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3091580/how-national-security-law-strikes-heart-hong-kongs-judicial https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3091580/how-nat... SCMP has both pro-Beijing and anti-Beijing authors. The stance of an article/video depends heavily on who made it. This is despite the Alibaba ownership. So no, SCMP is not a propaganda piece.
  - easytiger 6y ago
    Yea, Machiavellian principles long establish the allowance of such criticism to allow trust and control of the more critical messages. Embrace, extend, extinguish etc. It has either worked on you, or you know what you are doing I'll be perfectly honest, from someone who repeatedly tweets actual Chinese state propaganda your opinion and dedication to repeating it here is highly suspect.
    - FooBarWidget 6y ago
      So if they're uncritical of CCP, then they're propaganda. If they sometimes post criticism of CCP, then they're still propaganda. Only if they post non-stop overwhelming amounts of criticism, do you think they are genuine? If you go down this line, then there is no way any source can ever be seen as reliable, unless they completely conform to your opinion. How is this in any way a reasonable stance? My Github history is 10+ years long, my software is used by hundreds of thousands of websites all over the world, I've lived in Europe for 25 years, I respect and participate in European democracy, and you suspect that I'm a CCP shill? My stance isn't even "CCP is good", but "CCP is complicated, it's not what most people think it is, CCP has problems but the mainstream media representation is often blown out of proportion by 70%, more honest/accurate criticism is possible but requires a better understanding". You say I'm posting "propaganda". Why can this not simply be "my opinion"? I was born in China, my wife is from China, I have family there, I've witnessed many things. Are you seriously saying that I have no legit opinion on my own of what the truth about China is, and that anything I say that disagrees with you must automatically be propaganda and not genuine? With so much ridiculous, one-sided anti-China rhetoric going on, half of which can be disproven by walking down the street in China for a couple of days, the other half which is sort-of true but people like you pretending that even the untrue part is fully true and not interested in nuanced discussion, is it any wonder that I'm getting tired of that? I don't even necessarily consider myself "pro-China". I am willing to enter genuine discussions. But have a look at this research paper: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3637710 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3637710 People with attitudes such as yours, are pushing me towards the outcome described in this paper. And I'm not the only one, lots of other Chinese I'm in touch with are increasingly getting annoyed by all the unreasonable hysteria. Have you been to China? Do you obtain information about China from anything other than mainstream media? What makes you so confident that you're so right and that CCP shills are everywhere?

Those are from the South China Morning Post, which was founded in 1903 and is based in Hong Kong. It's worth reading to learn what's happening there. It is not Chinese state propaganda.

MagnumOpus 6y ago

South China Morning Post was taken over by Jack Ma, billionaire card carrying member of the Chinese Communist Party, five years ago. Since then it toes the line of the Beijing regime.

FooBarWidget 6y ago
So toe the party line so much, that they're still publishing Beijing-critical articles, like this one: https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3091580/how-national-security-law-strikes-heart-hong-kongs-judicial https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3091580/how-nat... Sounds to me like they're not doing a very good job at toeing the party line.
- easytiger 6y ago
  Do you genuinely not understand how someone might buy an unsympathetic publication to leverage its user trust to your own advantage? It is not new, nor China specific. You have 5 other comments here asserting the same thing.
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
propertymagnate 6y ago
The parent seems to be correct, the wikipedia page mentions a jornalist being fired for "incorrectly" quoting Jack Ma in relation to the pro-democracy protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Morning_Post#Editorial_stance_and_staff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Morning_Post#Edito...
DonaldFisk 6y ago
Yet it published these articles, which do not show the PRC in a good light: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3011892/generation-amnesia-why-chinas-youth-dont-talk-about-tiananmen https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3011892/gen... https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/2159258/un-cites-reports-china-holding-1-million-uygurs-secret https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/21... https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/2043149/fresh-calls-investigation-beijings-questionable-detentions https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/2043149...

easytiger 6y ago

Lol. It's owned by Alibaba. It definitely is. The content is cringeworthy nationalistic guff

FooBarWidget 6y ago
Do you have any idea how many Beijing-critical articles are on SCMP? Just browse it and see it for yourself. If you're lazy, here are two examples of Beijing-critical articles: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3021310/chinese-officials-have-finally-discovered-twitter-what-could https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3021310/ch... https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3091580/how-national-security-law-strikes-heart-hong-kongs-judicial https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3091580/how-nat... SCMP has both pro-Beijing and anti-Beijing authors. The stance of an article/video depends heavily on who made it. This is despite the Alibaba ownership. So no, SCMP is not a propaganda piece.
- easytiger 6y ago
  Yea, Machiavellian principles long establish the allowance of such criticism to allow trust and control of the more critical messages. Embrace, extend, extinguish etc. It has either worked on you, or you know what you are doing I'll be perfectly honest, from someone who repeatedly tweets actual Chinese state propaganda your opinion and dedication to repeating it here is highly suspect.
  - FooBarWidget 6y ago
    So if they're uncritical of CCP, then they're propaganda. If they sometimes post criticism of CCP, then they're still propaganda. Only if they post non-stop overwhelming amounts of criticism, do you think they are genuine? If you go down this line, then there is no way any source can ever be seen as reliable, unless they completely conform to your opinion. How is this in any way a reasonable stance? My Github history is 10+ years long, my software is used by hundreds of thousands of websites all over the world, I've lived in Europe for 25 years, I respect and participate in European democracy, and you suspect that I'm a CCP shill? My stance isn't even "CCP is good", but "CCP is complicated, it's not what most people think it is, CCP has problems but the mainstream media representation is often blown out of proportion by 70%, more honest/accurate criticism is possible but requires a better understanding". You say I'm posting "propaganda". Why can this not simply be "my opinion"? I was born in China, my wife is from China, I have family there, I've witnessed many things. Are you seriously saying that I have no legit opinion on my own of what the truth about China is, and that anything I say that disagrees with you must automatically be propaganda and not genuine? With so much ridiculous, one-sided anti-China rhetoric going on, half of which can be disproven by walking down the street in China for a couple of days, the other half which is sort-of true but people like you pretending that even the untrue part is fully true and not interested in nuanced discussion, is it any wonder that I'm getting tired of that? I don't even necessarily consider myself "pro-China". I am willing to enter genuine discussions. But have a look at this research paper: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3637710 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3637710 People with attitudes such as yours, are pushing me towards the outcome described in this paper. And I'm not the only one, lots of other Chinese I'm in touch with are increasingly getting annoyed by all the unreasonable hysteria. Have you been to China? Do you obtain information about China from anything other than mainstream media? What makes you so confident that you're so right and that CCP shills are everywhere?