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How "bad" is that compared to standard/common 14nm, etc...

kn0where 6y ago
Pentium 4 was on a similar process size: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_4
lnsru 6y ago
I don’t know, why do you refer 14 nm as common. It’s for the newest consumer toys. Regular electronics in your dish washer is made using 65, 90 or even 130 nm process.
- why_only_15 6y ago
  Samsung galaxy A20, a ~$150 phone, uses the exynos 7884 which is fabbed on a 14nm process pricing: https://www.androidauthority.com/cheap-android-phones-269520/ https://www.androidauthority.com/cheap-android-phones-269520... soc: https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/exynos/products/mobileprocessor/exynos-7884/ https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/exynos/produc...
  - innocenat 6y ago
    That falls into "newest consumer toys". The bulk of the IC chip is no where near 14nm process.
- jcun4128 6y ago
  yeah maybe 22nm is more common
TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
This range of 32bit Cortex chips are listed as 130 - 40nm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STM32 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STM32
goatsi 6y ago
130nm chips first arrived in 2001, so it's about 20 year old technology. This page has a few examples: https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/130_nm https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/130_nm
DCKing 6y ago
130nm was used to make the Athlon XP, Athlon 64, Pentium M, Pentium 4 and PowerPC G5 in the 2001-2003 timeframe [0]. So at the peak of 130nm's performance spectrum, it was able to produce stuff that can still run 2020 software quite okay. The Athlon 64 is probably the best 130nm silicon produced in its heyday and it's in the ballpark of a Raspberry Pi 4 (which has a 28nm SoC) in single core benchmarks. I don't think this program is meant or likely to produce high frequency 100mm2+ chips (and it's worth remembering those chips had a lot of engineering effort put in them outside of manufacturing process) but it should permit chips of somewhat decent performance. It's a very generous thing! [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/130_nm_process https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/130_nm_process
- walrus01 6y ago
  As I recall from that generation, also the first models of AMD opterons, commonly built into dual socket motherboards. For the time they were very speed competitive with the Intel option.
  - innocenat 6y ago
    I think at that time, Opterons was THE server processor.
    - walrus01 6y ago
      I recall the dual socket (everything was single core at the time) Xeon being particularly unimpressive. In fact it was somewhat of a step backwards from the better thermals/power efficiency of a dual socket, 1.13 to 1.4 GHz / 512KB cache Tualatin pentium 3.
- jcun4128 6y ago
  I see I remember using Dimension 4500's that had Pentium 4

Pentium 4 was on a similar process size: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_4

lnsru 6y ago

I don’t know, why do you refer 14 nm as common. It’s for the newest consumer toys. Regular electronics in your dish washer is made using 65, 90 or even 130 nm process.

why_only_15 6y ago
Samsung galaxy A20, a ~$150 phone, uses the exynos 7884 which is fabbed on a 14nm process pricing: https://www.androidauthority.com/cheap-android-phones-269520/ https://www.androidauthority.com/cheap-android-phones-269520... soc: https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/exynos/products/mobileprocessor/exynos-7884/ https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/exynos/produc...
- innocenat 6y ago
  That falls into "newest consumer toys". The bulk of the IC chip is no where near 14nm process.
jcun4128 6y ago
yeah maybe 22nm is more common

TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago

This range of 32bit Cortex chips are listed as 130 - 40nm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STM32 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STM32

goatsi 6y ago

130nm chips first arrived in 2001, so it's about 20 year old technology. This page has a few examples: https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/130_nm https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/130_nm

DCKing 6y ago

130nm was used to make the Athlon XP, Athlon 64, Pentium M, Pentium 4 and PowerPC G5 in the 2001-2003 timeframe [0]. So at the peak of 130nm's performance spectrum, it was able to produce stuff that can still run 2020 software quite okay. The Athlon 64 is probably the best 130nm silicon produced in its heyday and it's in the ballpark of a Raspberry Pi 4 (which has a 28nm SoC) in single core benchmarks. I don't think this program is meant or likely to produce high frequency 100mm2+ chips (and it's worth remembering those chips had a lot of engineering effort put in them outside of manufacturing process) but it should permit chips of somewhat decent performance. It's a very generous thing! [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/130_nm_process https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/130_nm_process

walrus01 6y ago
As I recall from that generation, also the first models of AMD opterons, commonly built into dual socket motherboards. For the time they were very speed competitive with the Intel option.
- innocenat 6y ago
  I think at that time, Opterons was THE server processor.
  - walrus01 6y ago
    I recall the dual socket (everything was single core at the time) Xeon being particularly unimpressive. In fact it was somewhat of a step backwards from the better thermals/power efficiency of a dual socket, 1.13 to 1.4 GHz / 512KB cache Tualatin pentium 3.
jcun4128 6y ago
I see I remember using Dimension 4500's that had Pentium 4