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Welcome to dictatorship. Government will now start to ban all kinds of apps they don't want.

by coliveira 6y ago

ekianjo 6y ago
If some apps coming from other countries are riddled with spyware, is that dictatorship or common sense?
- dmix 6y ago
  Ideally coming from congress, then yes. There might be some valid arguments on national security grounds, but I personally wouldn't be comfortable having an all-powerful executive branch who could do this sort of thing unilaterally. Unless it's a wartime or emergency sort of thing. But Americans largely gave up that seperation of power after 9/11 and executive power hasn't stopped expanding since then. It's perpetually an 'emergency'. With this and the Huawei stuff, battling over advanced control over private networks for surveillance purposes, is a natural outcome of significantly increasing the power and influence of intelligence community. The kind of people who are naturally hyper-paranoid and see everything through a geopolitical risk lense. Which is helpful for a niche limited role but is ripe for abuse when their mandates expand.
- lightgreen 6y ago
  It is kind of dictatorship. US could achieve the same effect without banning, eg by forcing stores to display warnings to users about where their data and what data is being send. That would be a reasonable compromise between freedom and safety.
  - dicomdan 6y ago
    It's like saying we should allow unregulated fentanyl sales on the streets as long as drug dealers provide a disclaimer to the addicted.
    - lightgreen 6y ago
      We should allow unregulated fentanyl sales as long as we provide cheap regulated fentanyl sales as well as drugs and services to deal with addiction. This way we will kill drug mafia and drug related crimes and reduce the numbers of addicted people.
    - tlear 6y ago
      Many would argue that yes most definitely we should allow sales of any drugs people want to consume. Personally I have no problem with people killing themselves with fentanyl, meth or whatever. Knock yourself out. State resources are better spent doing other things. US drug war caused more misery then drugs and most of the police issues are directly related to laws on drugs they are told to enforce.
- coliveira 6y ago
  I care less if the Chinese gov is grabbing my data than if the US government is restricting what I can see or not. The freedom to access what I want is much more important for me in the long run. Moreover, how can I trust the US gov to do the right thing? This should be decided by the people, not by some bureaucrat sitting in an intelligence agency.
- nickthegreek 6y ago
  Make laws banning the spyware practices to increase consumer privacy, dont ban apps one off when others do the same thing.
unishark 6y ago
Dictatorship means the dictator makes the laws. This is a case of the executive branch interpreting laws passed by congress (presumably national security laws here) and which has to be defended in court if challenged.

Welcome to dictatorship. Government will now start to ban all kinds of apps they don't want.

ekianjo 6y ago

If some apps coming from other countries are riddled with spyware, is that dictatorship or common sense?

dmix 6y ago
Ideally coming from congress, then yes. There might be some valid arguments on national security grounds, but I personally wouldn't be comfortable having an all-powerful executive branch who could do this sort of thing unilaterally. Unless it's a wartime or emergency sort of thing. But Americans largely gave up that seperation of power after 9/11 and executive power hasn't stopped expanding since then. It's perpetually an 'emergency'. With this and the Huawei stuff, battling over advanced control over private networks for surveillance purposes, is a natural outcome of significantly increasing the power and influence of intelligence community. The kind of people who are naturally hyper-paranoid and see everything through a geopolitical risk lense. Which is helpful for a niche limited role but is ripe for abuse when their mandates expand.
lightgreen 6y ago
It is kind of dictatorship. US could achieve the same effect without banning, eg by forcing stores to display warnings to users about where their data and what data is being send. That would be a reasonable compromise between freedom and safety.
- dicomdan 6y ago
  It's like saying we should allow unregulated fentanyl sales on the streets as long as drug dealers provide a disclaimer to the addicted.
  - lightgreen 6y ago
    We should allow unregulated fentanyl sales as long as we provide cheap regulated fentanyl sales as well as drugs and services to deal with addiction. This way we will kill drug mafia and drug related crimes and reduce the numbers of addicted people.
  - tlear 6y ago
    Many would argue that yes most definitely we should allow sales of any drugs people want to consume. Personally I have no problem with people killing themselves with fentanyl, meth or whatever. Knock yourself out. State resources are better spent doing other things. US drug war caused more misery then drugs and most of the police issues are directly related to laws on drugs they are told to enforce.
coliveira 6y ago
I care less if the Chinese gov is grabbing my data than if the US government is restricting what I can see or not. The freedom to access what I want is much more important for me in the long run. Moreover, how can I trust the US gov to do the right thing? This should be decided by the people, not by some bureaucrat sitting in an intelligence agency.
nickthegreek 6y ago
Make laws banning the spyware practices to increase consumer privacy, dont ban apps one off when others do the same thing.

unishark 6y ago

Dictatorship means the dictator makes the laws. This is a case of the executive branch interpreting laws passed by congress (presumably national security laws here) and which has to be defended in court if challenged.