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Are they pretending they aren't a CCP spying apparatus with this move? Seems like simple marketing smoke-and-mirrors to me. Much like Zoom flailing with "privac

by 0xy 6y ago

Are they pretending they aren't a CCP spying apparatus with this move? Seems like simple marketing smoke-and-mirrors to me. Much like Zoom flailing with "privacy" initiatives while being a nation state spying program.

benliong78 6y ago
We in Hong Kong are all assuming that TikTok is CCP-owned at this point.
- 0xy 6y ago
  Any large company that has majority ownership in China or primarily employs software developers based in China is a spying apparatus, whether voluntarily or not. It's not even about intentions. You are subject to the whims of the CCP whether you want to be or not. No company operates from China without such influence. Some are more blatant than others (Huawei is more obviously a spying apparatus than Zoom). I wish you the best of luck and hope you are able to get out of HK if you wish.
  - hkmaxpro 6y ago
    Why are you downvoted for stating the facts? Chinese citizens and organizations are required by China’s National Intelligence Law to support, assist and cooperate with the state intelligence work. The law also protects any individual and organization that aids it. That’s partly why Huawei is a national security risk. [0] CCP also sent state officials to private companies. Private companies, including foreign entities, have to establish formal party organizations. [1] [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/05/huawei-would-have-to-give-data-to-china-government-if-asked-experts.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/05/huawei-would-have-to-give-da... [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-alibaba-china-party/china-to-send-state-officials-to-100-private-firms-including-alibaba-idUSKBN1W80DO https://www.reuters.com/article/us-alibaba-china-party/china...
imafish 6y ago
I agree. This move is only made to create an illusion that they are not working with the gov-who-must-not-be-named.
xster 6y ago
Are you just saying the California company Zoom is a "nation state spying program" because the founder is Asian looking?
- yesplorer 6y ago
  which part of their comment stated or even remotely implied '...because the founder is asian looking'? if anyone will be called racist in this thread, it will probably be you.
  - xster 6y ago
    The part that brought up Zoom in a discussion that has nothing to do with Zoom
- 0xy 6y ago
  No. I'm saying that Zoom, developed almost entirely inside China, is a nation state spying program. A company's legal jurisdiction does not absolve it of the influence of another nation. If Zoom was developed entirely within the US and didn't lie about E2E encryption or route calls through China so they could be subject to surveillance I'd be more inclined to believe it was an American company with no CCP influence. The founder's appearance is irrelevant, in this case Zoom is quacking like a duck on its own. Just for argument's sake, if the founder was totally against CCP spying and would never knowingly engage in that behavior, it's still suspicious. That's because the CCP can apply pressure directly to engineers (remember, it's developed inside China). Some of the most brilliant engineers I know are "Asian looking". I don't assume they are spies for that reason (and they're not in China, so aren't as subject to influence).

by 0xy 6y ago

benliong78 6y ago

We in Hong Kong are all assuming that TikTok is CCP-owned at this point.

0xy 6y ago
Any large company that has majority ownership in China or primarily employs software developers based in China is a spying apparatus, whether voluntarily or not. It's not even about intentions. You are subject to the whims of the CCP whether you want to be or not. No company operates from China without such influence. Some are more blatant than others (Huawei is more obviously a spying apparatus than Zoom). I wish you the best of luck and hope you are able to get out of HK if you wish.
- hkmaxpro 6y ago
  Why are you downvoted for stating the facts? Chinese citizens and organizations are required by China’s National Intelligence Law to support, assist and cooperate with the state intelligence work. The law also protects any individual and organization that aids it. That’s partly why Huawei is a national security risk. [0] CCP also sent state officials to private companies. Private companies, including foreign entities, have to establish formal party organizations. [1] [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/05/huawei-would-have-to-give-data-to-china-government-if-asked-experts.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/05/huawei-would-have-to-give-da... [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-alibaba-china-party/china-to-send-state-officials-to-100-private-firms-including-alibaba-idUSKBN1W80DO https://www.reuters.com/article/us-alibaba-china-party/china...

imafish 6y ago

I agree. This move is only made to create an illusion that they are not working with the gov-who-must-not-be-named.

xster 6y ago

Are you just saying the California company Zoom is a "nation state spying program" because the founder is Asian looking?

yesplorer 6y ago
which part of their comment stated or even remotely implied '...because the founder is asian looking'? if anyone will be called racist in this thread, it will probably be you.
- xster 6y ago
  The part that brought up Zoom in a discussion that has nothing to do with Zoom
0xy 6y ago
No. I'm saying that Zoom, developed almost entirely inside China, is a nation state spying program. A company's legal jurisdiction does not absolve it of the influence of another nation. If Zoom was developed entirely within the US and didn't lie about E2E encryption or route calls through China so they could be subject to surveillance I'd be more inclined to believe it was an American company with no CCP influence. The founder's appearance is irrelevant, in this case Zoom is quacking like a duck on its own. Just for argument's sake, if the founder was totally against CCP spying and would never knowingly engage in that behavior, it's still suspicious. That's because the CCP can apply pressure directly to engineers (remember, it's developed inside China). Some of the most brilliant engineers I know are "Asian looking". I don't assume they are spies for that reason (and they're not in China, so aren't as subject to influence).