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Who do I vote for if I want universal healthcare?

by 6nf 6y ago

iron0013 6y ago
You can be as cynical as you want about whether they “really mean it”, but it’s right there in the Democratic party platform: https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/ensure-the-health-and-safety-of-all-americans/ https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/ensure-t...
- 0xy 6y ago
  That doesn't say what you think it does. Additionally, the Democrats had a super majority for two years under Obama and ended up passing a healthcare bill written entirely by insurance lobbyists. The ACA skyrocketed health insurance costs, by every objective measure. They had 2 years already. I don't see how the exact same elected officials won't squander another super majority (which will be hard to get). In my opinion, a D house and R senate is likely -- which means no universal healthcare.
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  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    > Additionally, the Democrats had a super majority for two years under Obama and ended up passing a healthcare bill written entirely by insurance lobbyists. Super...ish. Loss of a single senator would've killed the bill. Lieberman strangled the public option in its crib.
- skinnymuch 6y ago
  It took 3 seconds of skimming to see it does not remotely say that. It clearly says to have a public option and medicar for 55 plus only. This is a nudge of the status quo. Par for the course for Democrats.
ceejayoz 6y ago
Leftists, at the local level. Democrats, at the national level, and repeatedly, if you want much hope of it in the next decade or two. It'll take some movement of the Overton window, and Democrats tend to vote in one election, then go "welp, I already did my part" two years later.
blaser-waffle 6y ago
The Democrats. They've been trying for a while, are easily misled, and are generally a clusterfuck, but at least they're tring. Though there have been some Republican attempts -- attempt in the loosest sense -- believe it or not. The Hil-Dog was talking about universal healthcare during her husband's (Slick Willy's) administration in the 90's. Didn't go anywhere -- not with Newt G in Congress -- but was a key item on her platform running against Trump. And most of the Dems went in on Obamacare, though several balked at the Public Option (I beleive it was one particular). Mitt Romney kicked off Romneycare in MA, and Obamacare is essentially just a knock-off of that. Both were based off of a Heritage Foundation white paper about free-market universal healthcare (which Heritage has since disawovwed, as has Romney; see below). Unfortunte that Romney didn't embrace that while running against Obama, but that's probably the only way to score a GOP nomination. See also: https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/10/20/how-a-conservative-think-tank-invented-the-individual-mandate/#1372231e6187 https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/10/20/how-a-... (decent overview) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_19... https://www.heritage.org/social-security/report/assuring-affordable-health-care-all-americans https://www.heritage.org/social-security/report/assuring-aff...

Who do I vote for if I want universal healthcare?

by 6nf 6y ago

Who do I vote for if I want universal healthcare?

You can be as cynical as you want about whether they “really mean it”, but it’s right there in the Democratic party platform: https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/ensure-the-health-and-safety-of-all-americans/ https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/ensure-t...

0xy 6y ago
That doesn't say what you think it does. Additionally, the Democrats had a super majority for two years under Obama and ended up passing a healthcare bill written entirely by insurance lobbyists. The ACA skyrocketed health insurance costs, by every objective measure. They had 2 years already. I don't see how the exact same elected officials won't squander another super majority (which will be hard to get). In my opinion, a D house and R senate is likely -- which means no universal healthcare.
- deleted 6y ago
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- ceejayoz 6y ago
  > Additionally, the Democrats had a super majority for two years under Obama and ended up passing a healthcare bill written entirely by insurance lobbyists. Super...ish. Loss of a single senator would've killed the bill. Lieberman strangled the public option in its crib.
skinnymuch 6y ago
It took 3 seconds of skimming to see it does not remotely say that. It clearly says to have a public option and medicar for 55 plus only. This is a nudge of the status quo. Par for the course for Democrats.

ceejayoz 6y ago

Leftists, at the local level. Democrats, at the national level, and repeatedly, if you want much hope of it in the next decade or two. It'll take some movement of the Overton window, and Democrats tend to vote in one election, then go "welp, I already did my part" two years later.

blaser-waffle 6y ago

The Democrats. They've been trying for a while, are easily misled, and are generally a clusterfuck, but at least they're tring. Though there have been some Republican attempts -- attempt in the loosest sense -- believe it or not. The Hil-Dog was talking about universal healthcare during her husband's (Slick Willy's) administration in the 90's. Didn't go anywhere -- not with Newt G in Congress -- but was a key item on her platform running against Trump. And most of the Dems went in on Obamacare, though several balked at the Public Option (I beleive it was one particular). Mitt Romney kicked off Romneycare in MA, and Obamacare is essentially just a knock-off of that. Both were based off of a Heritage Foundation white paper about free-market universal healthcare (which Heritage has since disawovwed, as has Romney; see below). Unfortunte that Romney didn't embrace that while running against Obama, but that's probably the only way to score a GOP nomination. See also: https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/10/20/how-a-conservative-think-tank-invented-the-individual-mandate/#1372231e6187 https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/10/20/how-a-... (decent overview) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_19... https://www.heritage.org/social-security/report/assuring-affordable-health-care-all-americans https://www.heritage.org/social-security/report/assuring-aff...